According to Maj. Ukiah Senti, in Afghanistan, this is the life of an Army battalion S-3, or operations officer, when engaged in combat operations: "A typical day as an S-3 is that you're working probably good 20-hour days, 99 percent of the time. There was a lot of decision-making that weighs heavily on your in terms of life and death decisions in terms of bombs and supporting units. At any given time you have five different fights and you have to decide who is going to get the access if you only have two for the fight. That means three of the fights aren't going to get it. That's the kind of decision-making for the S-3."  

In the same Army interview, Senti also gives a shoutout to my successor on the Pentagon bigthink beat at the Washington Post, Greg Jaffe, who recently wrote that fine article about a Marine suicide. (And then about the reversal that means the widow will get a life insurance payment.) Senti says that young Jaffe "is probably one of the best writers and the least biased writer that's out there...He writes something and it really does make an impact."

U.S. Navy

 

TYRTAIOS

12:54 PM ET

March 16, 2012

Life ain't fair?

"You have to decide who is going to get the access if you only have two for the fight." Yea, ain't that the truth. . .hopefully, the good Major has been on the less forthcoming end, and can emphasize, as opposed to asking for sympathy.

Anyway, good concise comments from the Major. . .remembering a major many moons ago that took me aside after I asked him what happened to my request, answering, "it hardly seems fair does it?"

 

MICHAEL C

1:23 PM ET

March 16, 2012

An S-3 is the Anti-COIN

Read any recommendations on counter-insurgency, and they always emphasize the small units. Something like "Counter-insurgency is one or lost at the company or platoon level." But look at what our battalion commanders can do now: with UAVs, command structures, radios and GPS the S-3 can fight the war for the companies and platoons on the ground. Often the reason decisions like support have to be made is because higher units don't push any real decision making down to lower level units. The most egregious examples are the fact that no brigade or even Regional Command, controls their own Air Force or aviation assets. How's that for directive leadership?

Finally, as a platoon leader I heard constantly about over-worked staffs at the battalion level, especially this idea that S-3s and such worked 20 hour days. Then I moved up to staff and found out how much time S-3s and their staffs wasted on trivial stuff. The best way to know this was an anecdote. Invariably, the staffs, like S-3s, were all in their office. However, the moment the non-secure internet (NIPR) went down, suddenly battalion headquarters was a ghost town, even if the secure internet (SIPR), the thing needed for work was up.

A battalion S-3 should not work 20 hour days, unless they are terrible at time management, delegating or both.

 

MGUNNS

3:28 PM ET

March 16, 2012

Staff hours

When I was in Iraq, I thought the hours worked at the MEF staff level were ridiculous. Now, when I say "worked" I mean being AT work. Watch out, this was one of my pet peeves.

I was an IA that arrived mid tour. The first week there I sat around in the office until 2100, then went back to my can. A LtCol pulled me aside after a couple of days and told me that I was leaving too early, and that HHQ expected us to be available until at least 2200, and that many of the staff worked until midnight. I asked why we didn't just post a duty for when they needed the actual or an SME, as our cans were only 100 feet away. He looked at me like I had three heads.

An officer I worked with got a call from HHQ at 2200 demanding a brief NOW. Guy worked his tail off gathering the info, making slides, etc. Emailed the completed brief about 0200. He got a call about 1400 the next day, asking where was the brief-his response of "your inbox since 0200" was met with a "Gee, thanks".

I figured out how the game was played. I got a TV with AFN for my office, and brought my DVDs to work. Made sure I took my time at the gym, meals, and the PX or barber. Of course this was only when there was nothing going on, if ops picked up I/we all put in whatever hours were necessary. Mostly it was about looking busy and making the guy who wrote your fitrep think you were working your ass off.

 

TOM KENNEDY

3:44 PM ET

March 16, 2012

@MGUNNS

I hear you. Your post brought back unpleasant memories of wasted hours in staff 'duty.' I think everyone eventually adjusts and learns to conduct personal business while at their staff desk. If they don't, they are done for because those hours are not sustainable. Jobs like that are probably responsible for half of the officer resignations these days.

 

MICHAEL C

7:50 PM ET

March 16, 2012

Tom, exactly

Those hours, especially wasted hours back in garrison, are exactly why officers get out.

 

RBB

1:33 PM ET

March 16, 2012

Greg Jaffe

He has done a tremendous service to his profession and his country by helping bridge the gap between the military and the media.

Anyone who has deployed a couple of times has a range of experience with reporters, embedded and otherwise. Some good, some not so good. Some horrible and damaging.

Greg Jaffe is a guy who takes the time to learn the context and report the truth fairly -- not to make the biggest splash, but to give the most accurate picture (warts and all.) Everyone I have known who has worked with him in theater respects him greatly.

One of the hardest things about being an S3 is that sometimes you have to hand out the sandwiches, knowing that some of them are sh*tty, and there are lives on the line. Not all risks can be mitigated.

 

HUNTER

5:41 PM ET

March 16, 2012

I want to echo some comments

Even in the midst of a war if you are pulling 20 hour days in the 3 shop you are doing something wrong. You aren't capitalizing on your people or you are micro-managing. You are also losing effectiveness from lack of sleep and no doubt making dumb decisions as a result. I learned early on as a PLT leader - from my great exemplar CO CDR - that even in the midst of the most difficult field exercises 6 hrs in a day was attainable.

For me I had to fight the opposite notion. I had a higher headquarters that insisted that only field grades make decisions in my TOC. I made sure that there was always a field grade available on the installation (a phone call or approx 100 paces away from the TOC) but politely allowed my Battle CPTs to do their job (I was the BN CDR).

As for making all those life or death decisions, I thought that was largely the role of the BN CDR, not the S3. Maybe I need to recycle, give me another BN and I promise I'll do better the second time around.

 

RVN SF VET

7:31 PM ET

March 16, 2012

2ND BATTALION COMMAND

Hunter, thank you for volunteering to command a Ranger battalion. As you know, the Rangers want commanders who have already commanded the same level unit before. As a West Pointer, I'm sure that you have a Ranger Tab and are Airborne qualified. Do you prefer Joint Base McCord or Fort Benning?

Again, thank you for volunteering to "Lead The Way!"

 

HUNTER

8:35 AM ET

March 17, 2012

Oh man

LOL. Lewis or Benning I'd go with Lewis...but have you seen all the problems they are having there?

 

BEARCAT

9:45 PM ET

March 16, 2012

Get Some Sleep

Hunter is right, 20 hrs a day is too much, makes you stupid. You can carry a ruck or drive a truck for 20 hrs a day better than you can make good decisions.

If you gotta sleep during the day, sleep during the day. I realize that is when Higher HQs activate the Q&A machine, let your Battle Cpts handle most of that.

What REALLY gets on MAJs nerves is working all day and half the night between deployments. That is really stupid, but I'd regularly have my old staff groups calling from Ft Somewhere at 2200 (they are nice polite young officers so won't call any later than that) and say; "I knew why I was working 20 hrs a day while deployed, I don't know why I am working 20 hr days at Ft Campbell!?!?" Same rule applies in garrison, you tend not to get any smarter after the first 12-14-16 hrs of work.

 

CMEYERGO

10:44 PM ET

March 16, 2012

BS

The 20-hour work day is impossible, so it must be spin to impress us dimwits. Groggy folks do stupid things, like allowing five units to become involved in fights when you only have assets to support two.

I've always supported the idea of two command groups, A and B, each working a 12 hour shift. I saw it used in one exercise and it worked perfectly. Another advantage is that if an enemy strike mauls one command group, the other is ready. Otherwise officers feel pressure to impress the boss by pretending to work 20-hour days, and screwing up from fatigue and falling asleep "on duty" at critical times.

But the generals don't like the dual command concept, because it doesn't match their unit T/O diagram.

 

TYRTAIOS

9:32 AM ET

March 17, 2012

Motion shouldn't be confused for action

Twenty hour work days aside, the most important mindset that seperates the good staff officer from the also ran, is that he knows if his recommendation and/or plan is accepted by the commander, and given the go ahead to implement, in the end it effects the rank and file of the command.

That good staff officer, and specifically an operations officer will also know that he may work for the old man, but he also recognizes he works for the troops. . .never forgetting Henry Ford's axiom that motion shouldn't be confused for action. . .always planning backwards from the implementation to the finished product, keeping in mind the finished product isn't to make him look good, but to accomplish something actionably good.

My issue during my time in uniform is that I didn't have enough staff time, but what little I had, I recognized it was my job to have big shoulders for everyone to stand on, not for me to stand on everyone else's shoulders.

This has been a great blog for me to ramble on and I appreciate the opportunity. I find I have to leave for awhile, but I will return. However, unlike MacArthur, it won't be three years hence.

Fair Wind and good luck to everyone.

 

RVN SF VET

10:03 AM ET

March 17, 2012

A BIENTOT M. TYRTAIOS

I hope that this is a vacation and not some medical hiatus. Perhaps you are going sailing? Fair winds and following seas to you!

Toujours Fidele

A cœur vaillant rien impossible

 

RIFLE COMPANY COMMANDER

2:30 PM ET

March 18, 2012

staff overload

Great comments. I agree with most that working 20-hour days is ludicrous, at least on a continual basis.

As an Army, we suck at getting staffs to work efficiently. We are a "U". Most BN or BDE staff officers have simply never seen what right looks like. I know I haven't. I have seen staffs that get stuff done, but they are almost always the "20-hour day" types and end up getting burned out after a very short time.

 

KUNINO

2:53 PM ET

March 18, 2012

Enough about the work hours. How about the fighting?

What does it say when a presumably effective S3 is telling the world that -- at best, it seems -- his unit can handle only 40% of the battle tasks in front of it? And no experienced BD reader thinks that unusual?

 

BN RUNNER

4:57 PM ET

March 18, 2012

Life on the Shaft

Staff life is brutal as a SNCO or officer. Being on staff is similar to communism; there's really no advantage to working harder or longer because you'll get paid the same amount or be in the office until 1800 either way. There's no "light" or goal at the end of the tunnel; you're not working to get things done so that you can get off at 1600 instead of 1700 or get off earlier on Friday.

I remember when I first checked on to staff(having only previously served a few months on staff in Ranger bn), I couldn't understand why everyone took a 1.5 lunch or didn't show up at their desk until 0900. Then after working an extra 2 hours every day and answering everyone else's phone I broke down and started a doing a light workout during lunch.

Serving on staff definitely clarified my career prospects for staying in the Army. No way I can stay in the Army after I'm done with command and have 8 years on staff before the next time I lead men. I get too emotionally tied to my work which will cause you to lose your mind on staff; making sure training gets resourced, jumping through your ass to get new resources after your allocated resources fall through or are taken, doing short and long range planning, etc.

 

MAXIMB

11:26 AM ET

March 19, 2012

Great article. It seems that

Great article. It seems that every regimes under transition nowadays, from Vietnam, to Egypt, to Russia, is having trouble throwing out the old remnants to start anew.

"Is war always forfait inevitable ?"
MaximB

 

MAXIMB

11:45 AM ET

March 19, 2012

Great article. It seems that

Great article. It seems that every regimes under transition nowadays, from Vietnam, to Egypt, to Russia, is having trouble throwing out the old remnants to start anew.

"Is war always forfait inevitable ?"
MaximB

 

FUZAIR

12:26 PM ET

March 19, 2012

Effing hilarious...

Nice to see that all armies everywhere still excel in mindless BSing (as the Brits call it) and pointless busywork and time wasting. My late father (who retired as a MG, Pakistan Army) was posted as Director 'X' at the Army's General Headquarters (GHQ--our Pentagon, at least the Army part of it) and liked to get to work early to catch up on the endless paperwork (he was incapable of sleeping past 5:30 am or so and this way he could work uninterrupted for an hour or so).

The official start time for GHQ in summer was 7:30 am (8 am in winter) and the first day or two that he got there at 6:45 there was no one else there. By the end of the first week, every single one of his officers was there by 7am and most by 6:45; a couple of eager-beavers/sycophants started showing up at 6:30 and making a point of bringing something to his attention before 7 am. He called them all in and told them that he expected them to show up at 7:30 am sharp--unless of course they actually had real work to do--and just because he couldn't sleep didn't mean that they lost sleep as well. And that he expected them to leave at 2:30 pm--unless of course there was an actual reason for them staying later.... (GHQ worked a six day week back then and had this timing.)

He followed the same sort of routine when commanding a unit. Of course I knew of other COs who made a point of checking to see which of their subordinated were in when they themselves got there....

I myself was told by my first boss that while my work was fine, I didn't LOOK busy enough and that the real route to success was LBDN: Look Busy, Do Nothing.

The point is not just to extol my father's virtues as a commander but to point out that the problems people are highlighting here are the fault of their extremely insecure and frankly mediocre-at-best COs/Brigade/Post/etc commanders and their inability to stop BSing and pointless timewasting. The more I read Tom Rick's blogs and the posts here, the more convinced I am of my (now decade plus old) conclusion that the real objection I have to the Pax Americana is that its run by idiots.

 

RVN SF VET

2:51 PM ET

March 19, 2012

IT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO LEARN

That distant military bureaucracies share similar characteristics to our own here in the US. Your Father sounds like the kind of officer anyone would like to work for. I imagine that we could find a few like him here as you have illustrated that you have some that resemble our worst.

If our respective personnel systems rewarded by promotion only those with characteristics like your Father's, perhaps both countries would admire the others leaders.

So far, not so much. {;*))

 

HUNTER

7:45 AM ET

March 20, 2012

G.S. Patton

Said "If bread is the staff of life, the life of the staff is one long loaf."

 

MAXIMB

3:12 PM ET

March 22, 2012

The ones where insurgents

The ones where insurgents that suit our geopolitical interests are ripe for CIA funds and "liberators" in the media, but the insurgents who are fighting our allies are labeled as "terrorists"..

"Is rio orange war always forfait sosh inevitable ?"
MaximB

 

Thomas E. Ricks covered the U.S. military for the Washington Post from 2000 through 2008.

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