Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - 10:51 AM

By "Petronius
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He couldn't get in, so asked me to post this for him.
Best,
Tom
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Great series, some thoughts:
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> While I am an old fart, retired, long in the tooth, combined arms maneuver battalions are the way to go, we have not had a chance to really work the concept as we have been too busy deploying, redeploying, and preparing to deploy for ten years! General Donn Starry wanted combined arms battalions for Division 86, unfortunately his fellow GO did not.
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> Stryker is a mix of maneuver, speed, and lethality as such either a mech or armor officer can command. Ideally commanded by a Cav Officer.
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> Back in the day armor officers routinely had Cav assignments. Cav is a mindset that frankly does not sit well with the army. Two types of Cav officers, both effective, The Dashing Cavalier think JEB Stuart and the Hell For Leather think Phil Sheridan or Nathan Bedford Forrest.
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> The only reason to align BCTs with Divisions is to provide oversight in Garrison, if a Colonel needs a general to tell him how to fight we got big problems. The Division role in combat is to synchronize.
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> Reflag BCTS as Regiments.
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> Two Regiments equal a Brigade.
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> Agree fires should be field artillery, not sure we need to retain maneuver enhanced etc not sure if they serve a purpose what do they do.
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> Townie 76
Sir,
I think you need to study up on the mission of the Stryker organizations. There purpose in life is to provide a protective platform, with outstanding mobility and some small firepower to transport the finest light infantry around to the fight. Additionally those organizations have access to increased Mission Command and firepower enablers to bring lots of steel on the enemy.
Also please look closely at the TO&E of a Combined Arms Battalion and look at the weapons systems and platforms within them. If you can master all those systems well enough to know how to employ them, maintain them and allocate them, you are a far better man than am I.
A few problems with this statement-
"There purpose in life is to provide a protective platform, with outstanding mobility and some small firepower to transport the finest light infantry around to the fight."
Strykers cannot even take an RPG hit or .50/20mm round, not sure how much protection they really offer. Mobility is ok but the screens they put on them to in fact stop RPGs make them far less mobile. Firepower is also very limited. Strykers are great to ride in, like a "magic carpet" as a lot of our guys called them but they still attract lot's of fire with little protection. I might also go easy with the "finest light infantry", the Marines and Rangers might have a word or two to say about that.
I've been unimpressed with the Ranger BNs - yes, I expect death threats any minute. But, in reality the Army has stacked the deck in favor of the Ranger outfit.
Without question, within 90 days you could form a battalion from the 82nd or 101st, provided the same equipment and freedoms, and it would be the equal of any of the existing Ranger Battalions.
But, I don't say this to disparage the Rangers. I say this to point out that our infantry units, across all branches are pretty similar in capability. What I respect about the USMC is that they've created a force of infantrymen and women that then serve in transportation etc whereas the Army trains a transpo guy and then sometimes asks him to all of a sudden pretend to be infantry.
I would tend to agree with most of your statement, the Rangers have two more advantages though, a selection course and the cross-pollenation they get from working with the SMUs so much but I think your right, anyone who was given all of those things would rise to that level.
And IF you sister had a dick she would be your brother.
All snarky comments aside, you have a right to your opinion just the same as anyone else but having served in BN I think you're wrong. If you think Ranger BN is where its at(or not where its at based on your comments) because of equipment and freedom, I think you're completely wrong. Ranger BN is different from regular infantry because of its NCOs, its people, and you can't build institutional knowledge and experience in your NCOs in 90 days.
As far as the Marines go, having been a Marine( and therefore biased too) I think you are right. The Marines break down civilians and build them into cocky warfighters, some of whom also do logistics and transpo. That cockiness/confidence rubs other services the wrong way, but it's critical to Marines ability to thrive in conditions that would debilitate the some Army and most Air Force. Implementing something similar to TBS and MCT would greatly benefit the Army.
...would be a Sandhurst.
The profession of arms seems to be the only one of the classical professions in which one can be a practioner without having an extra year or two of study.
And I envy the Officer and Enlisted A&S and Basic Training for the Royal Marine Commandos. Impressive course of instruction.
....you would have an equal or better unit in 90 days and you won't convince me otherwise. Look in those formations at the 82nd and 101st and you'll see tabs on the left and scrolls on the right quite a bit. Lot of guys leave the compound for various reasons. The Rangers don't own the rights to infantry tactics.
Here's my litmus test and all the Ranger guys that hate SF can bust my balls for this but that's ok...when I work with guys from a Ranger unit I see good Soldiers doing good things, but very little in their way of business is different from the good 11Bs I encounter in the CF units. When I work with SF guys I see it taken to a new level (exceptions create the rule) in terms of approach, planning, skill competency, and professionalism. This is especially amplified when you take the SF or Ranger out of their community and place them with a GPF unit where you either see a stark contrast or you don't.
And again, this is not to knock any Ranger capability and I think we should take a lot of lessons from the freedoms the Ranger units are afforded when it comes to gear issue, combat load and so forth - if we applied those lessons with the same institutional freedom, to our conventional infantry, we'd be better for it.
Ah, that ugly word, "profession"
What you bring up is one of a few important reasons many people do not consider us in uniform to be a profession. Personally, I don't consider the Army to be a Profession of Arms. Too many examples like you mention that point to the contrary. For some reason people think that it's a knock in the military if you say it's not a profession.
Are there professional Soldiers...yes, I think so.
Is the Army a profession...no, I think not.
This is great news for my friend CH (COL) Dave Moran, the USAREUR Chaplain, as no one here, including him, knew he was a General Officer. Seriously, some of these are good ideas, but where do you get your information from?
OK, Brian, you got me. When I wrote this, several months ago, there was listed as the Chaplain in USAREUR a BG. Now, that may have been a temporary thing as he moved to Deputy Chief of Chaplains. That is what I get for not updating accordingly. I did it and accept responsibility. Or maybe someone has been listening to me all along on this one and got rid of one.
Bryan
I guess for a couple of days USAREUR did have a GO chaplain as in July the great former USAREUR Chaplain, Ray Bailey, got promoted to BG just before he PCS'd to D.C. to be the deputy chief of chaplains for the U.S. Army. Some documents may have listed him for a while as a USAREUR General Officer.
The real issue is that we are not top heavy; there are 5 fewer "stars" in this HQ than this time last year. CG went from 4 to 3; DCG went from 3 to 2 and took on the job of the 2 star Chief of Staff and that space with those 2 stars went away; and the G4 is currently a COL (P) rather than a BG.
Bryan Hilferty
Colonel, Infantry
Chief, Public Affairs, USAREUR
Thanks for clearing that up. I distinctly remember when I came across the BG as USAREUR Chaplain and being somewhat "startled" by that revelation. It was especially startling since I had 3 trips in and out of Europe and even with 2 corps, 4 2/3 divisions and massive numbers of echelons above corps units, we only had a Colonel at Hq, USAREUR. Technically speaking Army leadership should not have allowed there to be 3 Chaplain GOs even with one in the wings. But, I guess when US Code authorizes you 230 GOs and you have 382 (don't hold me to exact number as I am sure it changed as I typed this) and another 55 waiting in the wings for promotion (mostly in GO billets), you just don't have to worry about exactness. In all fairness to our service, rules for joint billets and ARNG and USAR on active duty are quite a challenge. It is not as bloated as those numbers first appear....but it is pretty bloated.
And, thanks for representing your command so well in these matters.
Familiarity breeds contempt. Double standards breed contempt a lot faster, like the lady driving past in an SUV with a red one-star sticker on the windshield yakking on her phone handset on a no-cell-phones-while-driving installation.
Usually it's some 16yr old-ish kid I see doing that, with a full bird blue sticker on the window.
Last time they put me in the "only available" housing. My neighbor was at first a SFC, then all of a sudden it was a PFC, across the street a SGT wouldn't come over and ask me for help with his car once he saw my rank. I had previously jumped off his battery. Later I saw a tow truck come and take the vehicle. He could have asked me to jump it off again so he could get it to the shop, for free. Conspicuously this was right after he saw me in uniform for the first time. So, ditto on the housing stuff. Don't like all the mixing, it's not good.
Here is a little thought that I am sure won’t be popular among some but would eliminate many teething problems among young, immature and newly enlisted personnel. The services should not be allowed to enlist married persons nor permit enlistees to marry until they have successfully complete at least four years of service and demonstrated consistently successful performance. A lot of senior NCO and officer time dealing with their enlisted people’s personal, financial and matrimonial problems would be eliminated or at least reduced. If prospective new recruits do not like those terms of service then they can save a visit to the recruiter.
In principle I agree, but that's where it stops. I don't think we can enforce that type of policy. USMC Commandant tried that, he was publicly castrated for that move.
Great comment. The USMC tried this several years ago and it cost the Commandant significantly. He rescinded his words and changed his tune after much drumming by outsiders from the US public, Congress etc. But, militarily a sound and logical argument.
1. Any organization would do better with authorities pushed down to COL's and LTC's and so forth. These officers would have to show more competence for their eventual competition for for the GO spots or retirement. Perhaps making GO is attractive because of the $$$$ that can be made on the back end as a consultant and/or executive?
2. Or would the authorities and responsibilities be consolidated among the fewer GO's? Or would the fear of screwing up really lock down initiative and dissent?
Lot of "reduce GO positions" in this installment. Totally agree with that. Roll down, roll down, roll down - or eliminate. Let's face it, the GOs and most of their staff will be people at 25yrs+ of service. They can go ahead and retire.
I have all the sympathy in the world for someone that is at 14 years and wants to stay in to retire. But I have nothing in the tank for someone at 25 yrs or so, wearing eagles or stars or SGM/CSM rank etc. Time for you and your staff to go so we can streamline the force, trim the budget, and focus on what's actually important. I know many of those guys and gals want to serve and they enjoy it, but they won't be hurt financially - give them a year's pay to include BAH etc, and a DD214, let them transition and move on.
Was just talking this morning with a co-worker about mowing our own grass etc. I still remember walking around in socks with some million horsepower buffer to make the quarter deck shiny and all that stuff. We need to get back to that and furthermore, introduce MOSs for things like that. When deployed, those are your FOB Mayor.
One extremely dubious proposition
I refer to "Establish one Army Warfighting Lab under direction of TRADOC. Resource with a BG and appropriate fiscal and personnel resources to have an impact".
This seems based on the silly idea that if there's only one such lab, it will always concentrate superbly on the right stuff.
World history post-WWI shows just how naive that proposition is. Badly bloodied by the Allied forces on one day in August 1918, the German High Command studied the day and the Allied tactics and based its training and equipment on that lesson. British, French and American commands didn't and were initially not very good in responding to German WWII aggression on the ground and in the air at first contacts.
Possibly the best Allied commander at the start of WWII was Andrew Cunningham, whose body now lies in St Paul's Cathedral, London. Once again, the people who learned from his stunning military achievement were foes to the Allies. Cue the Pete Seeger song.
KUNINO, your reference to the ‘Black Day of the German Army’ (Ludendorf’s expression) on August 8, 1918 is quite true. The allied counter-attack (2nd Battle of Amiens) from the Villers-Bretonneux line was a British-Canadian-Australian ‘combined arms’ assault of the German lines in the truest sense of the term ‘combine’.
Extensive allied air power acquired air superiority over the immediate battlefield; infantry were focused not on the previous bulky battalion formations but rather companies and platoons based on mobile automatic weapons fire (Vickers and especially Lewis guns) and Stokes mortars. This was all preceded by hundreds of Mk.V tanks attacking German defensive strong points. Even artillery tactics were changed to allow field guns to follow the infantry right on their heels to increase the immediate offensive firepower and neutralize the Germans propensity for violent counter-attacks.
The Germans did in fact study the allied (particularly the British operations which were by far the most damaging and dangerous) 100 days offensive and learned many lessons in tactics, which they would refine, and use in World War 2. What they neglected however was to develop proficiency in operations and they virtually ignored strategy. This microscopic focus on tactics would make the Wehrmacht the most formidable ‘fighting’ force of the Second World War. But their undoubted skill at fighting could never in the long run make up for mediocrity in operations and a complete incompetence in forming strategy and in the ‘waging of war’ in its larger sense.
Tom,
I am taken aback by the picture of me on the riding lawnmower. Will have to check my 6 more often to see if you are taking pictures.
When you talk about keeping ranks separate, do you mean even at outposts as in "Restrepo" or just back in the States on post?
Totally agree with cutting back on Officers and many other points you bring up but have some counter-points:
Having one Battle Lab can lead to a "sounding board", firm believer in competition getting new ideas into the mix and being a bit more open.
I see where you are going with the Medical Community but keeping good MDs in is tough enough as it is and they are not line officers, should we look at them the same way?
Civilians doing jobs the military usually does are more expensive and even worse, unionized. We have them on our bases and just for showing up they get paid in blocks, work 15 minutes get paid for four hours It is like pulling teeth to get them to do anything and you can't really do much if they do a poor job, are un-responsive or just plain lazy. I cannot say that for every base but will say it for ours. We also have way to many civilians employed doing military jobs already, it is close to a 1 to 1 ratio. We currently have almost 750,000 DoD Civilian Employees. (743,338 at last count, up from 654,287 in 2003')
Although most of the DA civilians I had to deal with as an Armor Officer in Scout Platoon, Troop XO, and Squadron S4 slots treated me as if I were dirt and waxed poetic about their time as an E4 before being med-boarded out, our civilian movement officer supporting a deployment to Iraq (ex First Sergeant) and the civilian vehicle and MILES coordinators at Fort Irwin probably worked 20 hours a day for our brigade and interpreted every rule and reg to our unit's benefit.
Although two thirds of the civilians I had to deal with were a barrier to mission accomplishment, the minority were valuable enough that they made up for it. Also, doesn't every civilian that fills a billet in what used to be a support MOS free up another head in the Army's authorized end strength to carry a rifle? Perhaps in the circumstances of the last ten years the trade off to get extra soldiers in BCTs was worth it.
On the mixing of NCOs/Officers issue- our barracks in Korea was Sergeant First Class, Master Sergeant, 2nd Lieutenant and 1st Lieutenant, segregated by floor. Worked out pretty well, although that may have been because half the people in the building were in the field or at gunnery at any given time.
PETRONIUS ARBITER seems to really get facts wrong, both on force structure, who is in what billet, etc...example above on the "GO Chaplian", USAREUR has more than 4 Brigades...I am willing to bet he can not name them, nor can he identify what the missions of USAREUR are, and what operations they are currently doing. It appears he does not understand the purpose of component commands, ask USAREUR to stand up a JTF (as all components are required to do) then ask how many Brigades and troops are under the command. Probably more than 4, just ask 6th Fleet how that works.
From another post saying BCTs only have 2 Battalions, again, off the mark, BCTs have 6 battalions.
Asisde from all the GFIs, there is no explination of how all these suggestions "fixes the army." They all seemed to be more in the line of here is how we can save a little money.
Overall, I would say this whole series of posts seems to be the ramblings of an ill informed old man who should change his screen name to Abe Simpson.
He gets more facts wrong about JAGs
"Reduce SJA GO-level positions. Return TJAG of Army to MG. There are 7 JAG GOs serving now. At the height of the Cold War there were 2 on active duty. There are no JAG commands, so why so many GOs? The TJAG makes policy and personnel management decisions, so why so many senior officers? Is this one of those decisions just to give "hope" to those to keep them in the service?"
There are only six active duty JAG GOs currently serving in the Army -- and only five are in Army JAG billets (the other was a DCG in Afghanistan and is currently the Guantanamo Chief Prosecutor).
https://www.jagcnet.army.mil/852573690045C0BB/0/C7D97A5F2F0808FD85257808006CAE82?opendocument
Thus, there are five active JAG GO billets in the Army -- the same number as the much smaller AF and USN have.
Also, the Army JAG Corps didn't have only two GOs on active duty during the height of the Cold War. Here you can see that the Deputy was a 2-star as far back as 1949.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deputy_Judge_Advocate_General_of_the_United_States_Army
The decision to make the TJAGs as 3-stars was a political decision to strengthen the green suiters in the Pentagon against political appointees who approve torture and other unsavory acts.
There were 7 several months ago when this was written. One humming, one hoeing, one planting and maybe some going, make the numbers change sometimes quite rapidly. And, he can name the BCTs in Europe. Sorry, I refer to BCTs as the brigades you discuss and battalions as CABs or infantry battalions. If we get into all the denominations of things we will never get anything out to discuss, nor accomplish anything.
There are authorizations for five active duty JAG GOs. There have never been seven unless you're counting Reservists or IMA judges.
There has been a sixth for the past year or two because GEN Petraeus put one in a non-JAG billet in Afghanistan, who then moved on to a joint billet in Guantanamo.
Believe if you check the statute the services are limited to a number of GOs in each service. They are not mandated by position. The chief of service can do what he wishes. But, the statute stipulates the Congress can authorize accordingly to increase. Last I heard Army was over 100 over GO authorizations and AF was just as bad. Haven't checked numbers in some time but think it not better. So, in summary, believe there is no position authorization for JAG positions. Up to CSA and SecAr to make it happen with Congressional approval. So, I guess that means if CSA/SecAr wanted 100 JAG GOs they could try to do it.
Statutory Basis for JAG Rank and Position
The JAGs and DJAGs of the various services and the SJA to the Commandant of the Marine Corps are established by statute. See 10 USC §§ 3037, 5046, 5148, 5149, and 8037. They do not fall under the "normal" GO/FO promotion and nomination process. If you're selected for the position, you are promoted to the rank after Senate confirmation, etc. Probably worth noting that the increase in JAG/DJAG rank specifically resulted from assertions that the DoD General Counsel's legal advice bound the DoD and the JAGs were to follow that advice, even if they disagreed with it. I.e., the uniformed legal advisors were subordinate to the civilian advisors. Congress specifically disagreed and, in addition to increasing the ranks of the service JAGs, passed legislation directing that no officer of the DoD interfere with the ability of the JAGs and SJAs of all grades to provide commanders independent legal advice.
Not that this prevents the various military departments from allocating other GO/FO positions to the various JAG Corps. The only limit to that is the caps on GO/FOs establishe in 10 USC 525-26.
I obviously can't say whether all the "facts" presented are correct but I think the take home pass here on such a top-heavy Army structure makes sense. We have too many commands, staffs, and GOs. Every time I see a story about a given GO getting promoted, they are always coming from some staff I've never heard of.
Although the ideal number of JAG general officers is a debateable point, legislation and not service policy increased the paygrade associated with the position of TJAG/DJAG from O-8 to O-9. The FY 2008 NDAA established those positions as O-9 billets. The stated justification was to give the JAGs greater authority to address legal issues arising from operations in OEF/OIF, including detainee treatment and law of armed conflict incidents. The role of the TJAG as the senior uniformed legal advisor, and not command responsibilities or promotion opportunity, informed the decision to increase the TJAG's paygrade. Comparing the current roles of judge advocates with those in the Cold War is misleading. The most recent study of the Department of the Navy's judge advocate requirements ("the 506 panel") found that operational commanders have requested legal advice on an increasing number of international and operational issues, instead of military justice. See: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnw1MDZwYW5lbHxneDo0NGFlNjQwNmY2NTNkMmI
Whether or not increasing the rank of TJAG/DJAG has enabled the various JAG Corps to provide better advice is probably an unprovable assertion. However, the legal environment for military operations is more complicated than that of 40-50 years ago.
I think the number of JAG GOs is the most irrelevant part of our discussion. Next would be the Chaplain GOs.
The other points about the other commands with GOs are salient.
More from T-76: The facts on GO bloat
He is still locked out (I know, happens to me too).
Best,
Tom
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I noted that many have taken shots at Petronius Arbiter about his facts, in one of his last comments on yesterday post he stated he had heard that the Army was over by 100 it authorization for General Officers. In fact according to a study by Ben Freeman at the Project on Government Oversight, the Army has added 11 since 2001 as compared to 36 for the Navy and 40 for the USAF! Having spoken with Ben Freeman many of the positions added have been Joint Positions to support OIF and OEF. There is no question General Officer bloat is a problems but rather than throwing around rumors we need to deal with facts.
I am glad that someone pointed out the the TJAG elevation was a direct result of Congressional concern that under Rumsfeld that there was a tendency to attempt to ignore or sidetrack the recommendations of the JAGs. I believe, the legislation was introduced by Senators Graham and McCain!
Wishing you and your family a very Happy Thanksgiving.
Go to posting of 1:09 PM ET, USAREUR Chappie, November 23rd and the facts are posted. It can be quite difficult to understand.
Why do Pertonious Arbiter's thought provoking "Fix the Army" posts always seem to degenerate into discussions on the number and headquarters locations of Army general officers?!? Is reducing the number of superflous GOs really the primary "must fix" for the Army right now? I agree that there needs to be a thoughtful review in the number and roles of GOs and their HQs. When those GO positions are eliminated, we can't forget to eliminate the miscast and completely irrelevant staff sergeant majors and "command" segeant majors at those HQs, and their retinue of drivers, clerks and enlisted aides as well. Where is the discussion on strategy, acquisition training and doctrine reform?
Regards
your spot on FLAPPY, I think taking on the number of GOFOs and the like makes for easy comments by people who really don't understand strategy and DOTMILPMF type process. I would recommend for those that really want to understand good ideas on fixing the force to pick up a copy of JFQ or Parameters...nothing taking away from this Blog site of course, some of the best discussions happen when Tom posts a link or comment about an article from one of those.
To me, it seems like what you're advocating is a form of Kool-Aid drinking. Figuring out how the DOTL....XXXX system works does nothing since we already know it doesn't work.
Chuck in america, that is the point..."DOTMLPMF is broken"...how so, how do you fix it? You can write a generic comment of its broken, we have too many GOs, and F35s (F35s due to congress, not the aquasition process)...but feel free to explain how it is broke, and how it should be fixed, or what should replace it
I hear what you're saying but it seems you're advocating a method to work within the system. The problem is that the overwhelming sentiment is that the system is so far broken that it's not worth working within.
Not trying to bicker or pick on this with semantics. Just my take.
My opinion is that the GOs are seen as a chronic and severe problem. The excess commands and HQs etc they maintain generate a lot of stuff, very little of it seems to be beneficial. We all know that no GO is going step back and say "not my lane" or "someone else already cracked that nut". Instead they're going to burn up a few thousand pieces of paper and a few hundred gigabytes of PowerPoint to see if they can re-create the wheel.
If that's not reality then perhaps the leadership needs to begin selling the benefit our GOs provide. But again, I don't believe many people see many benefits if any at all.
More importantly, leadership is the crux of any organization right? There are problems with the Army. Are they worse than 20yrs ago, or 50yrs ago? Hell I don't know. I'm pushing 20yrs but I don't have the ability to accurately speak on those issues. In any event, leadership carries the day. As such, the GOs are going to carry the bulls eye.
Regarding their staffs, down to the PVTs...well, a lot of units are still deploying short handed. So, there you go. A lot of units in TRADOC and back home within FORSCOM are short too, so manning should not be an issue.
Discussions of strategy...I'm not sure our military does strategy any longer. Seems the top end of the operational spectrum is where it ends. Probably too lofty for my brain.
Acquisition..hell, it's broke. We aren't likely to get a lot of help from above, with the politicians jockeying to determine how many F35s we get, if we get them at all, what to do with the Abrams, and so on. So, start small, like in our company supply rooms and stop ordering so much crap. The Army should decrease Class II and Class IX budgets by 20% at a minimum, unless and until a unit is 6 months from deploying. Installation Class VII type items like those badass printers and copiers and the incessant upgrading of computers needs to stop. Decrease that by 50% immediately. Maybe when we run out of ink and paper someone will figure out that a 10-page leave packet is not necessary.
Training...more of it, and make it better. Scrap rifle qualification. It's garbage. Create a rifle qual that reflects what we do in combat. Adjusting your sandbags and waiting for the paddles to go from red to white is not what we do. Fix PT, and while we're at it - get rid of PT. Our jobs are PT. Stop tweaking that damn IPFU and stop forming up at 0600 to do ridiculous conditioning drills and "one size fits all" PRT. Get out there and do your job. Put on your kit and walk up and down a mountain for four hours - there's your PT. Stop unit runs! Waste of time. You want to impress me, take your unit out 12 miles from the parade field, march them in under four hours, with full kit, keep your formation together and have them ready to dig in and prepare defensive positions after they cross the parade field. That's impressive. Your four mile run is garbage. Soldiers are not pumped up after that, they just want it to end so they can get some breakfast, grab a Monster, and text their girlfriends.
Doctrine, our doctrine is awful right now. We are trying to re-write it so often now that no one really knows what's going on. ADP, ADRP, etc...hell, I don't know what those are, what they mean, etc.
Rant off.
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