Wednesday, July 27, 2011 - 8:22 AM
For your defense budget files, from yesterday's Senate Armed Services Committee confirmation hearing for Gen. Dempsey:
SEN. MCCAIN: Which brings me again full circle. We have announced cuts without a commensurate assessment of the impact of those cuts. And in your view, a -- what would an 800- (billion dollar) to trillion-dollar cut in defense spending over the next 10 years do to our readiness, General?
GEN. DEMPSEY: Senator, I haven't been asked to look at that number, but I have looked -- and we are looking at 400 (billion dollars) -- and I would react in this way. Based on the difficulty of achieving the $400 billion cut, I believe 800 (billion dollars) would be extraordinarily difficult and very high-risk.
I gotta agree with Tom's assessment
Last post in this series, I read Tom state: "I suspect the next 10 years will see a major revamping of the military establishment, in ways we hardly suspect now"
I think he is spot on for certain. I've been paying attention to all things Defense budget for awhile now and it amazes me that this discussion is just now starting to really take off. Last year, former SECDEF Gates railed against some of the Pentagon "fat" that all military folks witness throughout their careers: Generals with massive entourages, $40K paintings hanging on the wood paneled walls of the PNT of all the various leaders gone by, end-of-year expenditures by military units for gear they dont need just so that "they dont take our budget away next year" etc etc...the list goes on.
Further, anyone who's mucked around Capitol Hill quickly realizes the impossibility of not "salami slicing" the military budget. Any scalpel cuts that are made to close down a unit negatively impact somebody's district...and those "somebody's" know how to rally folks to their cause...take the recent decision to keep funding the Abrams tank line. Eventhough its arguable how useful tanks have been in the last 10 years...or say, the F35 alternate engine debate as another example.
So Tom's prediction will likely come true because no one can solve the dilemma of how to not hollow-out the force. The hollowing allegedly follows the minute you start topline "salami slice" cuts. Thus, the inner workings of Capitol Hill and the DoD are at an impasse.
As the budget crisis gets worse...and more and more strong lobbies (like AARP) hear about the "fat" in the defense budget, they will prevail...and defense will come down hard. The only way to convince a member of Capitol Hill to embrace the pain is if all embrace it equally....and Defense is a ripe target for that kind of talk.
Page 123, FY12Green Book defense budget estimate
Unable to come up with $80B/yr cuts?? Utterly ridiculous. Total yearly defense expenditures, adjusted for inflation, after a $80B cut would still be higher than any time in the last 50 years except for FY52.
Even assuming he's ignoring the likely continuing resolution for funding ongoing operations and is just going on the base defense expenditures, it's still more than we spent during FY48-50, FY54-65, FY70-81, & FY91-02.
Gates has left a wonderful legacy. DOD is still clipping toenails and claiming it's an amputation.
More Budget Brinksmanship From Maverick McCain
Like other Real Americans, I am appalled at Senator McCain's apparent willingness to even consider any cuts to our military budget. Furthermore, I am stunned at Dempsey's milquetoast "very high-risk" characterization of the impact of those hypothetical cuts. The General has been wasting time with Einstein when he should have been reading Mahan.
With the imminent launch of China's pre-owned carrier Varyag, our advantage in this area will have been reduced to an indefensible 11:1. Obama and his Marxist Islamist cabal have clearly put Our Homeland at risk by allowing this dangerous narrowing of our once-favorable Carrier Gap.
I like it, a new phrase COINed by Huckleberry: the "carrier gap." Probably we should fixate on tonnage, which obviously rests overwhelmingly with carriers, just as we did with throw weight measurement of nuke warheads stacked against the Rodinas?
One would think prior to discussing money and budgeting, we'd first have a discussion on the numbers and types of seaborne platforms that will impact the Navy's ability to project power to where we see the possibility of future crisis areas throughout the world, and further on our Navy's relinquishing supremacy due to newer weapon system threats evolving?
Of course, that would also entail figuring out what force levels are consistent with future American foreign policy that also influence naval operations. . .wouldn't it?
Is that a picture of Galloping Gertie, the first Tacoma Narrows Bridge?
Indefensible 11:1 carrier gap? Go troll somewhere else dude.
lol@Marcus. Seen any good sarcasm lately? I suspect not.
Nice job Huck.
Seriously though... Future American ForPol
Far as I can tell, we currently have a foreign policy designed largely with a Wilsonian Weltanschaung (a disturbance anywhere in the Force is a disturbance everywhere in the Force) to promote NeoLiberal ends (keeping the world safe for GFT - Global Free Trade).
The former promotes the latter, we are told, and the latter, so the logic goes, enables us to promote the former by filling our war chests from the wonders of unfettered capitalism. Neat, huh? Like a love child of Paul Nitze and Milton Friedman
Problem is: Americans, over-enamored of luxuries like safe-working conditions and old age pensions, are not nearly so competitive as, say, Malaysians, and what gains from productivity we've had over the past 30 years - nothing to sneeze at - have gone almost entirely to the Top 2% of the population. This in turn has turned us into the paranoid representative oligarchy we now are (which is why Reagan topped Tom's Worst Of list, in my opinion). Also turns out that fighting a bunch of flyswatter wars is long, expensive and inconclusive... and does little or nothing to keep oil costs down - but I suppose I'm preaching to the choir here.
So when I think about the future of US policy, I think the first step is to acknowledge that, far from doing more with less, our military will of necessity be doing less with less.
Easily said, I know... especially when every congressman, especially self-proclaimed free-traders, are going to be wrapping themselves around whatever vestiges Camm-Keynesian remain in their district, all the while telling us that government spending cannot create jobs.
the world is insecure because...
...of the US military posture.
Any cuts would in fact lead to the reduction of insecurity.
Cuts would also cut into the employment numbers and the defense economy, and reduce the amount of Congressional meddling and pork.
DoD could make some cuts that would not hurt readiness too much but Congress won't let DoD do that. Congress will continue to use the budget for pork and won't let DoD do the best we can.
Americans expect the Navy to do a lot besides fight other Navies. Every time we have to run a NEO using a chartered Greek Ferry or something, We The People ask what the DoD/Sea Services are good for? We expect our Carrier Battle Groups to project force and be able to whip mid-sized Air Forces. That may be a good idea or a bad idea but it is THE IDEA. If we want to save the bucks we need to come up w a strategy.
The carrier battle groups have not had a near peer since about Midway. They have still had lots of work to do off and on. I guess the other question is: The big deck carriers were transformational in 1920s-40s, what is the next big thing?
Are more like HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse patrolling off the Malay Penninsula. Large areas of sea will be denied to them for fear of a crippling attack on either the flat top or the escorts or the supply vessels. How to assure 100 percent security from diesel boats, small watercraft, mines, missles, surveillance ships, communications with no counter-measures, etc? Did Paul Van Riper succeed only because he was an American General? All of the likely areas of ops will be dicey: Persian/Arabian Gulf, Arabian Sea, South China Sea, Sea of Japan, Gulf of Oman, Red Sea, the Med, etc.
Over the horizon stuff, small recon and targeting teams, orbital platforms, and electronic-info warfare. Then send in the Marines to add a period. Threaten to do it all over again as necessary.
"Did Van Riper succeed only because he was an American General." Naw, he threw old school tactics at Blue Forces who initially tried to out tech him, but in the end cheated after re-floating all ships sunk.
Anyway, when you say “large areas of sea will denied the U.S. Navy,” you are stretching a bit. What anti-access and area denial primarily mean to the Chinese (probably the Iranians also), is having the technology corresponding to an operational concept that can delay and/or disrupt. . .even deter our naval power projection in their backyard, but not the big O per se, which we will more likely still dominate.
The Chinese or the Iranians or the No Ko's win by keeping us out of their business long enough for politics or reality to prevail. They can do that with fishing trawlers, speed boats, motor cycles, nukes, cruise missiles and BM's, and networked thingies that use ground fiber and whatever. If the Serbs could knock down an F-117 with clever use of radar, the Red Force can take a bite out of a battle group with some missiles and what not. What could a CBG do if it was getting attacked by 200 drones and 50 martyr speedboats? I think it would leave the area.
The US loses by not being able to bring it's massive offensive capabilities within striking distance of Taiwan, Korea, the Gulf, or wherever. Sinking a frigate or oiler or clipping a flat top will verge on strategic defeat and Congressional hearings. What would the Army or Marines be able to do if they had to rely on just the Air Force for help? Doesn't seem like the 82nd would drop into Isfahan or Hungnam with the Navy skulking off Hawaii.
Hard to imagine that CBG or theater commanders will get all that aggressive with irreplcable strategic assets.
55 minutes could be better spent....
understanding the essential investment requirements for the defense, than using it to answer John McCain' question ie if removing $800 billion over 10 years from DoD is drastic. Think that would be one of the General's answers in the next blog posting on his wisdom achieved from the Iraq experience.
If Dempsey had really understood what he claimed to have learned, he wouldn't have given John a high and inside soft ball pitch to keep the Arizona welfare subsidy going.
Reduce 10 percent of the objectives, then cut the military
If the point is to cut 10 percent (or any other arbitrary number politicians want to make up so they can look like they are doing something without actually tackling the really serious problems like healthcare and the solvency of social security) then seems to me you have to take a really hard look at just what it is you want the military to do. Do we really need a presence in South Korea when the RoKs have over 500,000 man standing army, 3 millions reserves to call up, and a huge qualitative edge in weaponry over their primary adversary? Do we really need a large Army presence in Germany when the Cold War ended 20 years ago? What about all those enormously expensive STRATCOM facilities to fight WWWIII without a commensurate enemy? Do we really even need a large campaign style force when a rapidly mobile deterrant force with great fire power will suffice? Do we still need to cling to large ground divisions when lighter units with superior weaponry will give any other conventional force in the world think twice about messing with the US? Or are we still just going to cut around the edges so what we wind up with are cumbersome forces with outdated equipment and a lack of airlift to get them anywhere in a timely manner? What's the best combination between mass, efficiency of effect, and mobility? Everything needs to be on the table and we need to deeply consider just what it is we want from our forces before we start cutting off more slivers.
Yes, that is the Tacoma Bridge Collapse of high school science fame.
Cheers,
Tom
That is far too broad a question to be answered well, or at least in any kind of comprehensive sense. RIO Quite frankly, given the time of year, tone and vague nature of the question, the answer is You Should Have Done Your Damn Homework BEFORE FINALS!!!!.
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