10 percent? 25 percent? 50 percent?

We can't know now. But I think big cuts will be part of any reorganization of the federal budget down the road, after the debt hits the fan. Plus, the rich are gonna have to start paying their fair share -- by which I mean at least 75 percent of what they paid during most of the 20th century, not just on income but, more importantly, on capital gains.

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CAPTAIN NOVAL

3:47 PM ET

June 27, 2011

I predict it will go up. The

I predict it will go up. The reason why I think it will go up is a controversial one. I think that without the right leadership in the White House, the Chinese will think they have an opportunity to apply a knockout blow to the United States. Look not for direct combat, but Chinese-inspired insurgencies and local wars initiated with the desire to draw in the United States to as many regional conflicts as possible. North Korea/South Korea, perhaps Pakistan/India, another conflict in Vietnam, perhaps insurgencies in the Phillipines and Indonesia.

The hope is to get the elephant to fall into the trap, get caught on the punji sticks, and slowly bleed out (mainly financially, though in a literal way as much as reasonably possible without prompting a full-scale direct Sino-American conflict) while that elephant thrashes around, fruitlessly trying to free himself from defeat and national bankruptcy.

And falling into that trap, my friends, would require expenditure of American blood and treasure that these small little adventures have just whetted the Chinese appetite.

 

JPWREL

4:39 PM ET

June 27, 2011

The United States is already

The United States is already ‘bleeding out’ with fiscal and monetary imprudence and dissipation. Pray tell why would the Chinese want to exchange what has been for them a very successful foreign and trade policy vis-a-vie the United States for one so problematic and fraught with danger? What you are suggesting is that they risk their economic development and growth in order to fight unnecessary proxy wars with their best and most crucial customer?

As things stand now at current rates of GNP growth China is slated to surpass the United States in GNP by 2020 (The Economist, June 27, 2011). A large portion of that growth comes from exporting consumer and industrial products to America in exchange for U. S. Treasury notes. My new Apple IPad and the new Bay Bridge in San Francisco (shipped in sections) are manufactured in China plus everything else in between. Risk that for what?

It is the United States not China that rushes about the world ginning up fights it mishandles and cannot conclude. In the meantime while we bankrupt ourselves the Chinese have traveled the world buying up vast quantities of commodities and securing new business relationships and customers. We on the other hand – well you know the rest.

Beijing has witnessed the incoherence and pandemonium that passes for the American strategy and likely has drawn the correct conclusion to not stop a rival who’s in the process of making a mistake(s). China in the future may stub her toe (their banks are iffy clogged with bad state enterprise debt) but we are the ones stubbing our toes right now and I am sure they are condescendingly happy to watch us bleed ourselves with a hundred self-inflicted wounds.

 

GOLD STAR FATHER

4:47 PM ET

June 27, 2011

I don't follow

Why would China wish to bleed the USA--its top trading partner--of any economic might? Why would China wish war in the Korean peninsula when South Korea is another huge trading partner.
I would think that China only fears USA belligerency with no desire to gain their own military hegemony over anyone save their own provinces. The Tawain situation probably pisses off Peking still, but the economic advantages of Tawain trade is also huge to them.

 

CAPTAIN NOVAL

4:58 PM ET

June 27, 2011

Why?

To bring the Middle Kingdom to ascendancy in the world. As heirs to the most brutal and bloody regime in history, the people in charge of the Chinese Communist Party are no bunch of ward heelers from the South Side of Chicago. They play for keeps and are steadily advancing the ball while the American chattering classes deceive themselves into thinking that all we need to do is take 75% of millionaires incomes and everything will be A-OK.

Here's a clue - if your employer stopped paying you on Tuesday afternoon, would you come back in to work Wednesday-Friday? If not, then you can be sure "the rich" won't either. That level of confiscatory American taxation is the kind of thing that those mandarins dearly hope for.

 

GOLD STAR FATHER

5:32 PM ET

June 27, 2011

Wish I Could Spell Today

Taiwan, Taiwan, Taiwan.

China has always been a trading genius. There is no reason they would change at this point for military ascendency over the West or developing lands. I believe the evidence here is their sutle way of enterprise in Africa; their infrastructure projects in African nations that hold the raw materials they need. The USA tends to power project for our wants. Our "Care Packages" approach is NGO, not American Foreign policy.

China will bite the hand that whips them, not the one that feeds them. I can only imagine they look upon our debt woes in amazement, not as opportunistic of future dominance.

 

MARCOS EL MALO

6:35 PM ET

June 27, 2011

Alive and Well

The John Birch society is alive and well and totally Objective and ready to Shrug.

If the rich were "not paid" on Wed., Thur., and Friday, they would still come in because of the huge amounts they are paid every Mon. and Tue. more than makes up for it. And if some want to take Thursday afternoon off to play a little golf, they should knock themselves out.

 

CARDSHARP

3:55 AM ET

June 28, 2011

It's quite the contrast...

JPWREL trying to educate, and CAPTAIN NOVAL spewing 20 sec newclip non-sense about China.

 

MONKEYBOY

7:59 PM ET

June 30, 2011

Put down that Bong

The Chinese are modernizing their military for the following reasons:

1) Most of their equipment is old Cold War era junk, T-55,s & T-64's, SU-7, etc. That cannot match any adversary, big or small. As the government, they would be amiss in their responsibility if they did not do so.

2) China is on Top of Their Game, expanding economy, trade surplus, rising standard of living. Why would they screw that up by starting a war? Especially a war that is not really necessary (Cough "Iraq" Cough!) They do not need to conquer anyone. They have the money to buy them out. And that, in the long run is cheaper. They are kicking our butts at our own game. And all this talk about upcoming wars is just sour grapes from people who forgot how to compete.

3) For a long time, certain "Think Tanks" and people deeply involved in teh Defense Industry, have been telling us about "The Up Coming War With CHINA!" Quite a few managed to get jobs in teh Bush II Pentagon! After 10+ years of that kind of talk, I would be modernizing my military too!

 

BEARCAT

4:46 PM ET

June 27, 2011

SITREP From the Heartland

Administration already blew it in DEC 10. They should have let the tax cuts expire, or maybe extended cuts for rich for one year, and middle class for two years (because of hangover from the great recession).

I don't think TR has a good appreciation for how things look out here in the heartland, people are not willing to pay for their own schools, roads, universities anymore. The majority of people are not willing to pay taxes for ANYTHING. They are definitely not willing to pay for Imperial America anymore.
"Plus, the rich are gonna have to start paying their fair share -- by which I mean at least 75 percent of what they paid during most of the 20th century, not just on income but, more importantly, on capital gains. " TR

The deficit is so big (and baby boomers retirement looms so large) that just freezing cost growth won't do it anymore. We're going to have to figure out how to get Feds more revenue (easy in Dec 10, improbable now) and we're going to have to take an ax to everything defense included.

 

TYRTAIOS

5:32 PM ET

June 27, 2011

Austerity: can you handle it?

Most serving today don’t know what austerity is. . .and I’m happy for them, because during time of war, they should get what is needed.

However, it is sure bet that although money will be available for big ticket items such as tonnage for the Navy (as opposed to specific needed hull designs), and of course aircraft to keep congressional districts humming, etc. The real hurt will be felt, just as happened in the 1970's after our departure from Viet-Nam, at the small and mid unit level where equipment, training allocation dollars, and supplies in general will become scarce. . .I guarantold you so.

 

LESTER_GALULA

5:42 PM ET

June 27, 2011

It will go down substantially

Which isn't the end of the world. I expect the Marine Corps to return to the days of buying your own office supplies and getting your ass chewed for wasting paper by 2016, in addition to the planned force reductions that correspond to the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

There's a lot of fat to be cut from the other services without negatively impacting their capabilities. Gradual reductions to the Army's personnel appropriation, for example, will make retention more competitive, force them to reevaluate their tables of organization, etc. There's a substantial overlap in the sort of operations done by USMC and the Army, but the USMC consistently staffs leadership positions with lower-ranking personnel and overall has a much younger force, which translates into substantial savings over time. This tendency has forced the Marines to adopt a more effective PME/leadership training policy, which has been discussed at length in previous comments, and which seems to have been generally agreed upon as producing a higher quality leadership product than Army institutions.

Similarly, significant reductions in the Operations and Maintenance appropriation should not limit the effectiveness of the Army as an organization. As one example, my peers in the military police community attend a joint Army/USMC MOS-producing school. Their capstone exercise was apparently a platoon/platoon reinforced convoy that got ambushed, dismounted, and then performed a platoon assault with a support by fire element. The platoon commander was the top graduate of the school, and "led" the exercise from a Blackhawk. This is both a waste of money and tactically unsound (coincidentally, the exercise was a debacle and ended in significant blue on blue fire).

It seems that there's a tendency in the Army to overvalue technology as a force on the battlefield. If there's any major lesson that should have been learned from the major conflicts from Vietnam on, it's that technological superiority can be overcome by willpower and excellence at the tactical, operational, and strategic levels. Reductions to funding in O&M will necessarily correspond to decrease reliance on technology and force additional emphasis on fundamental warfighting skills, if only because the Army will no longer be able to afford to bridge fundamental shortcomings with technology.

I would argue that a 25% reduction to the Army's personnel and O&M appropriations, if implemented incrementally to allow the organization time to react, will actually lead to a more effective fighting force. Obviously there's not the same level of equivalency between infantry-centric organizations and the Navy or Airforce, but it's safe to say that because a culture of thrift hasn't been institutionalized through perpetual underfunding, there is doubtless a fair amount of waste built into their current organization. Incremental reductions in funding will excise this waste even if larger cuts aren't made based on a reassessment of the opportunity costs of our current global force posture.

Regardless, the political will to cut defense spending exists. The 99% of the American public who is not currently serving in the armed forces only have a cursory interest in the goings on of the military and almost no functional understanding of the armed forces, and I'd argue that even the majority of foreign policy talking heads and politicians aren't much better in terms of understanding the nuts and bolts of military operations. The population as a whole has no vested interest in defense spending, but they do have a vested interest in the domestic economy and job market. Ultimately defense spending will be sacrificed, as well as a low tax rate for wealthy individuals and corporate interests, simply because no matter how effective their lobbyists may be, corporate interests conflict with popular interests.

As far as China bleeding us through a series of small wars, I very much doubt it, given the fact that their export driven economic success is entirely dependent on the US' role as the largest consumer in the global economy, the fact that there is no other major economy capable of taking up the consumptive slack, and the fact that it will take the Chinese several years to retool their economy so that it better represents a sustainable balance between domestic consumption and export. The current economic policy, in conjunction with the policies of other East Asian economies, are sufficient wihtout further action to facilitate a long-term decline in American military and economic hegemony. It's a waste of China's time and effort to engage us in small conflicts when that time and effort could be better used in the improvement of the Chinese state as a whole.

 

BEARCAT

7:10 PM ET

June 27, 2011

Lester Executive Agency

Lester

The Marines really are a bargain, but they save money by pushing off costs on Navy, Army etc.... in ways the other services can't emulate. If the Expeditionary Marines start a war, the Army has to show up on day 15 of the contingency and start flipping burgers and pumping gas. Do Marines get any savings from having Navy Corpsmen? Do Marines want to start paying for Gator Navy? Are you splitting out costs of USMC aircraft or are they in Navy budget? (I really don't know used to be in Navy budget) Do you know where USMC got their M1 Tanks? SECDEF told Army to give them free tanks. That stuff is OK, but it does not save any $$ just pushes costs off on another service.

I am no whiz on this stuff, most of it is logistics. Here are some executive agent missions.
Veterinary Service Support
Single Integrated Medical Logistics Management (SIMLM)
Controlled Disposal of Waste, Explosives, and Munitions
Mortuary Affairs
Military Troop Construction Support to OCONUS USAF
Executive Agency for DoD Enemy Prisoner of War Detainee Program
Common-User Land Transportation in Overseas Areas
Intermodal Container Management
Overseas Ocean Terminal Operations
Management of Military Postal Services
Executive Agency for Land-Based Water Resources
Executive Agency for the DoD Customs Inspection Program
Management of Conventional Ammunition
Executive Agency for Processing Claims (in Selected Countries)
Executive Agency for Settlement of Tort Claims by DoD Employees
Locomotive Management
Single Manager for Military Traffic Management
Food Safety Service
Overland Petroleum Support Management
Inland Logistics Support to US Marine Corps
Executive Agency for Automatic Information Technology (AIT)

 

LESTER_GALULA

9:24 PM ET

June 27, 2011

That doesn't really address my point

Which was that comparison of equivalent areas demonstrates that the Army is significantly more wasteful than the Marine Corps, and that it's reasonable to infer that this relative profligacy extends to other non-equivalent functions in the Army and other services because the Marine Corps has historically faced more restricted budgets.

The point that I did not make was that the Marine Corps is a miniature Army that performs all of the Army's functions more efficiently. Nor did I argue that the Marine Corps is entirely self-sufficient. I'd argue that large-scale logistics is certainly done better by the other services, USMC aviation is funded with naval appropriations, etc.

Accordingly, I don't expect there to ever be 1:1 parity between USMC and Army per capita spending. That doesn't, however, invalidate my points that there's endemic waste in the Army and that its ability to spend so prolifically has led to an emphasis on technology over fundamental skills.

 

SOLDIERSDIARY

10:59 AM ET

June 28, 2011

percentage or amount

My prediction, the amount of $s that we spend will continue to rise, however the percentage of the overall budget will go down.

 

LITTLEMANTATE

5:22 PM ET

June 28, 2011

Fear and uncertainty are not a recipe for rationality

I don't see the looming debt crisis, fear over lost American prestige, Baby boomer retirement concerns, and a rising China= prudent, rational decisions. If anything, the desire to keep the system going as long as possible and deny reality may make our leaders continue on with their flawed policies. Domestically you can see this with the notion of artificially inflating the price of houses, the various bailouts, etc.

The more astute politicians and economic leaders may be convinced that a continued denial of current American realities, coupled with a series of distractions is less dangerous than admitting how bad things really are. The problem is they can keep the game going only so long.

Don't be fooled by current popular gloom over Afghanistan or dissatisfaction with Libya, Americans and, more importantly our leaders, need the US to be world's hegemon no matter what the cost. If only this were about economics and greed. It's worse, it's psychological and cultural and pays ever decreasing dividends to the majority of citizens.

Gates, in his recent comments, couldn't even countenance serving in a government when the US is no longer willing to spend whatever it takes to maintain its hegemony.

 

RIFLE COMPANY COMMANDER

2:39 PM ET

June 29, 2011

Fair share? What does that mean?

If someone makes $1 million dollars and the are taxed 10%, they are paying substantially more in taxes than someone that makes $1 thousand dollars and is taxed 10% (granted, I know people in that bracket wouldn't pay taxes).

So if 'rich' people already higher tax percentages, then what is fair? Fair is not a good way to approach this problem.

Libertarians will inherit the Earth! :-)

 

CARTOGRAPHER_SURVEYOR

1:45 PM ET

July 14, 2011

Libertarian blah blah blah

Libertarian blah blah blah Small government blah blah blah Don't tax the job creators blah blah blah ....
Why place scare quotes around the word "rich"? If you make $1 million plus, you are rich, if the word has any meaning. And a person who pays 10% of $1 million still has $900,000 left, which is hardly unfair.

 

Thomas E. Ricks covered the U.S. military for the Washington Post from 2000 through 2008.

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