Monday, April 18, 2011 - 11:13 AM

Here's a thoughtful response to the post I had last week about where the post-2011 U.S. military presence in Iraq might be based.
Meanwhile, on the Southern Iraq watch: Someone bombed a U.S. convoy near Hilla the other day.
By Adam L. Silverman, Ph.D.
Best Defense guest Iraqi affairs analyst
While I appreciate both Ambassador Ryan Crocker's remarks and forethought on this, as well as Mr. Ricks' commentary, and keeping in mind that I've not been in Iraq since the end of 2008, I think that any meaningful attempt to renegotiate the security agreement, or parts of it, are very unlikely.
I do think that you're going to see an ongoing, but comparatively small U.S. presence of trainers covered under the Security Force Advising concept, but we're talking relatively small footprint here. The Iraqis, and here I'm referring to every major faction, have made it very, very clear beginning with our Sawha allies out in Anbar starting back in 2007, that they are waiting for us to leave. They are waiting for us to leave in order to settle scores. The Sunnis and non-expatriate Shiite that make up the Sawha and primary opposition that composed the Iraqiyya Party (which was disenfranchised from forming the most recent Iraqi government after winning the largest plurality due to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's directing the power of the state at them in a successful attempt to reverse the electoral outcome) know they can't really win a head on confrontation, but they've made it repeatedly clear that they are ready to fight (back). Maliki is waiting for us to go so that he can cut his forces loose on these folks once and for all and put an end to them. The Sadrists want us gone -- badly! The Kurds want their own state and are just waiting for us to stop paying attention long enough so that they can find an opportune moment to declare independence. Moreover, given past and/or ongoing Iranian support for the bulk of the parties in the governing coalition (Dawa, Sadrists, the Kurds, ISCI/Badr) they won't allow their proxies to agree to anything that significantly prolongs any significant U.S. presence. They'll tolerate training of security forces as a large number of the Arab portion of the Iraqi Army (IA) are Badr Corps, which is tied directly to the Quds Force. So whatever we teach the IA, we're teaching the Iranians. No need for subterfuge at all.
No one is going to argue harder than I that we have a moral responsibility to do right by the Iraqis, but I don't see how staying helps us do so. We had actual legal requirements to do certain things, like fix the power grid, when we were officially recognized as an occupying power. Now we're guests. Without a doubt the electrical infrastructure in Iraq was terrible when U.S. forces arrived in 2003 and the early attempts at repair and reconstruction led to the creation of new targets for the insurgent forces, but a lot of what we wound up doing wrong, or not doing at all, was based on what the CPA enshrined in their bizarre and ideologically driven attempts to turn Iraq into a test lab for all sorts of bizarre political and economic ideas. I remember being told that we weren't to do anything to fix the Iraqi power grid as the Iraqis were going to privatize the power generation industry. My understanding was that this was based on an earlier CPA decision to privatize power generation and distribution in Iraq, based on attempts to do it in the United States, which, as many have documented, have been largely disastrous and done nothing to improve the United States' aging and crumbling power infrastructure. In Iraq not enough power doesn't just mean no air conditioning, it also means not much water being pumped into the irrigation canals, which means little agricultural production. This has led to migrations of the population to towns and cities looking for work where they can be recruited to emplace IEDs and commit other bad acts; not because they hate Sunnis or Shiites or Kurds or Americans, but because they're desperate for cash to feed their families.
Despite all the hard work by the U.S. military, our coalition allies, and civilian agency partners that led to successes at the tactical and operational level, we have failed at the strategic level in Iraq. As General David Petraeus stated before testifying to Congress in April 2008: "Iraqi leaders have failed to take advantage of a reduction in violence to make adequate progress toward resolving their political differences." Part of the failure here was when the leverage was available to push the Iraqis towards societal reconciliation and the beginnings of societal/social reconstruction the Bush (43) Administration wasted the space, the COIN break if you will, by having AMB Crocker try to negotiate a SOFA agreement that the Iraqis wouldn't and didn't accept. At the same time negotiations were ongoing for provincial elections. As I've written before here at Best Defense and in other places too: the Iraqis rolled us on both sets of negotiations. They ran the clock out on us, forcing us into the security agreement as the U.N. occupation authority was running out and into blessing a hybrid electoral process for the provincial elections that was the worst possible combination -- open list and proportional representation -- if we wanted to overcome the problems with the 2005 elections. It also didn't help that one of the State Department's own election specialists did not understand the system that the Iraqi High Electoral Commission had put into place. I know he didn't understand it because I had to explain how it was going to work to him at least five times and that was after he read the briefing paper I wrote on it for my brigade commander so that he would understand why it was a potential problem.
I appreciate that Crocker would like to do right by the Iraqis, I would like to do right by the Iraqis, but I just don't see any way that they are going to allow significant numbers of American troops to stay. The major Iraqi factions don't want a significant U.S. troop presence as it prevents them from settling their scores, which is what they really want to do. The Iranians that are direct patrons for Dawa and ISCI/Badr and indirect patrons to the Sadrists and the Kurds don't want it and won't allow it. They want us out of their near abroad as well. And how we've been positioning ourselves vis-a-vis the Arab Spring is making our other allies in the area very nervous too. I honestly hope I'm wrong about what is likely to happen in Iraq after U.S. forces draw down the rest of the way -- but I think that the events of the last several years make that unlikely.
Adam L. Silverman is the culture and foreign language advisor at the U.S. Army War College. The views expressed here are his own and do not necessarily reflect those of the U.S. Army War College, the U.S. Army, or Daisuke Matsuzaka.
What I find rather remarkable is that so many people (many commenting on Tom’s blog) still think that the Iraqi’s want us hanging around their country? Why in the name of Allah would they want a people from a nation they generally despise or at least resent continuing its interference in their affairs?
While I am sure some few Iraqi’s are on the make with US aid money and readily proclaim their eternal love for us it would seem only logical that the vast majority are not so fortunate to be aboard the American money train. They likely feel they cannot reassert their own self-respect until they can get us the hell out of there?
To name two groups within Iraq that want the U.S. military to stay. The Iraqi military has repeatedly said that they need the U.S. around until 2020 to help with national defense. Iraq has no jets, no artillery, only has two radars that only cover around 50% of the country, no missiles, are still training on Abrams tanks, etc. They cannot defend themselves from other countries. 2020 is the date the military has set for when they believe they will have all the equipment and training necessary to carry out that duty. Until then, they want U.S. forces to stay.
The Kurds also believe that the U.S. can be a guarantor of their rights. That has slowly shifted in recent years as Irbil has started focusing upon Turkey as a regional partner, but Kurdish politicians recently said they still want U.S. troops in Iraq past the 2011 deadline.
Yes, JWING yours is the ‘official’ view thus most improbable. The likelihood of Baghdad ignoring anti-American sentiment among the mass of people the length and breadth of Iraq and permitting significant permanent US troop presence is about as remote a US balanced budget. We have created a colossal strategic blunder in our fiasco in Iraq and in future years the only major outside influence will be Iranian not American.
The Iraqi military is also acutely aware of the Americans desire to use their country as a proxy and front line in its cold war against Iran. The tanks, artillery, aircraft and radar have very little functional use except against their neighbor to the east. Logic would seem to dictate that Iraqi’s whether they are Kurd’s, Shiite’s or Sunnis do not see one another as cannon fodder for US enmity towards Tehran. Senior Iraqi officers might be willing to continue to feed at the trough of American aid but are also astute enough to realize the average enlisted man likely would be unwilling to fight Iran on America’s behalf.
JWING, the Kurdish position is unsurprising
The US has, directly and indirectly, in an unsustainable fashion, propped up Kurdistan's economy and local government and provided the Kurds with a strong, foreign ally, something the Iraqi Arabs already had. The Kurds stand to lose a lot, economically and psychologically, if the US leaves the area. I am curious as to how Kurdistan's economy would deal with the shock of a withdraw of US support; no more US initiatives in such a smallish geographic area. In the future, Kurdistan's leaders will have to repress Kurdish irredentism in order to deal with Turkey and Iran, both natural trading partners. The suppression of an unrealistic, destabilizing ethno-nationalist ideology is a good thing.
I think many views expressed here about Iraqi public opinion is based upon their own anti-invasion feelings. Iraqis have a rather mixed view of the U.S. depending upon what the question is. For example, there was a poll from Aug. 2010 that found 59.8% saying that it was the right time for the U.S. to withdraw, but 51% thought that it would be bad for the country. 53.1% also felt that the U.S. shouldn't have ended combat operations in Aug. 2010. I would provide a link to the poll but FP is blocking it.
So Iraq doesn't want to defend itself?
I would think that the main reason why the Iraqi military wants to re-arm and ask for U.S. assistance in that matter is because they want to defend themselves. Especially because all of the regional countries are messing around in Baghdad, having an effective army would provide at least some kind of deterrent to neighbors thinking they can take advantage of a weak Iraq. I don't see Iraq having any urge to go to war with Iran at the behest of the U.S., but they do need to defend the border because Iran is still sending weapons into Iraq, plus it and Turkey regularly bomb and shell Kurdistan. Men, weapons, and money still flow through Syria as well.
Iran? They are far more popular in Iraq than are Americans. Besides the kind of mischief they might make cannot be countered by M16s or Abrams tanks. Turkey? Even the Kurds seem completely on board with Turkey bombing the PKK and American's popularity in Kurdistan is mostly a function of our very limited presence there. Syria? A few million Iraqi Baathists live there now but Assad has his own problems. Kuwait? No military to speak of apart from the enormous U.S. presence. Israel or Saudi Arabia? Uh, would we really take the Iraqi side against our own best bros?
The Iraqis would be well advised to spend their oil revenues on rebuilding their destroyed country not buying billion dollar military "bling".
No Military Invites Foreign Intervention
Again, with no ability to defend itself Iraq is inviting foreign intervention from its meddlesome neighbors. Iran feels that Iraq is weak and open to Tehran's influence. Syria has not stopped militants going across its border. Until Iraq is seen as being on an equal footing I think that interference will continue and part of that equality will mean getting a military that can defend the country. That won't stop it, but I think will lesson it. Right now Iraq has a counterinsurgency force that can't even guard its borders or stop smuggling, which is huge in the country.
Iraq is open to Iranian influence because except for the Sadrists virtually all of Iraq's current leaders lived as refugees in Iran until the U.S. overthrew Saddam and brought them to power.
Again, Iran's influence good, bad or indifferent is not the kind of threat that can be addressed with fighter jets and tanks. As for smuggling I doubt the Iraqis will have any better luck keeping weapons from flowing across their borders than the U.S. does keeping drugs from pouring across our Mexican and Canadian borders.
To be quite frank no matter what Iraq wants it will not get. The simple truth is that the Iraqi people do wish to free themselves of the American occupation but they are not capable of standing on their own feet without American occupying forces. ALthough the Iraqi people and probably some in its rag tag government believe so they are not able to enforce domestic laws traffic laws or any type of justice. The country is not ready to be put on its own regardless of what is right and what is not and who is occupying and how. The Iraqi's who have a say in the nations development know this and at the very least will siphon out as much US assistance as they can before pushing for a complete withdrawal.
(DONT WATCH FOX ITS A DRIED OUT POLITICAL SOAP BOX)
With today's negative S&P rating on our sovereign debt...
....I would think that even the most "entitlement" minded or ponzi capable members of the Iraqi beneficiary or neocon cabal are now doubting the cash flow opportunities from the johns of Washington.
Max Boot, one of our top experts on the ME says we need to stay in Iraq. Mr. Ricks has shown great respect for Mr. Boot in the past, and I am sure that he is seriously reviewing what Mr. Boot has written in the WSJ. Mr. Gates thinks we should stay as well. Ricks, Boot and Gates say we should stay. Since Mr, Ricks knows more about war than anyone on the planet, we need to heed his advice.
S&P did not lower US debt to 'negative' it remains AAA. What they lowered to negative was their forward-looking ‘credit-watch’ outlook.
The likelihood that US debt would receive a real downgrade is about zero since the US$ remains the world reserve currency and our debt is only 64% of GDP. The last two countries that had actual debt downgrades (Canada and Japan) had debt ratios of over 100%.
S&P's action is merely saber rattling to put their two cents in to gather the attention of Washington. One might also keep in mind that it was S&P that was rating a lot of large insurance companies (such as AIG) and banks (such as Lehman) investment grade right before they blew up.
Of course this information was held secret from the insiders, correct? Claiming they are saber rattling is most likely way over the top. But anyway, this kind of topic is way to complicated for this blog.
There is a little detail often overlooked
The Iraqi public hates America's guts with white hot furry. Oh a few have prospered but the majority have had their lives turned upside down by the invasion and occupation. When an American teenager drags your grandfather out of his house in the middle of the night, then in front of the whole extended family shoves him to the ground and places his dirty boot clad foot on his head it is not easily forgotten or forgiven. Multiply such incidents or worse by hundreds of thousands and we have developed a bad rep in Iraq.
I think the DOS is in for a rude surprise as well if they think the Iraqis will tolerate a big footprint private security presence with convoys of bearcats and bump trucks on their city streets and highways. It's much more likely that all white faces with guns will be confined without exception to embassy grounds.
I would say there is currently a 50-50 chance that the U.S. is allowed to keep several thousand troops in Iraq past 2011. It all depends upon Maliki's relationship with the other major parties in the country. Right now it's political suicide to openly talk about the Americans staying.
With that being said, I would disagree with some of the details in Silverman's piece.
1) I don't think Maliki will have some big crackdown after the U.S. leaves. His MO has been using carrots and sticks with his opponents and that has worked out well for him. I don't see him changing tactics now.
2) While Maliki has never liked the Sons of Iraq he has never had any problems with the Anbar Awakening and actually tried to get some of the leading sheikhs to join his State of Law party in the last election.
3) I don't think the Kurds want independence. They have actually been drawn farther in to Iraqi politics and economy recently.
We should send King David to Iraq to sit down with Mr. Maliki an share Three Cups of Tea!
Regardless of what any of the Iraqi parties want or sincere and committed americans who sacrificed in Iraq want the american people don't want us there any longer and american forces will come out just as they will draw down in Afganistan-the leadership has had all the time,money and most important- lives that we're willing to tolerate. We're not asking anymore we're telling the national leadership that we're out or your gone! If not the political uprising that will occur here will make the tea party movement look like a day at the beach.
"Political uprising that will occur here"
Sir,
Northern Command will put down any kind of uprising with a furry of fire never seen before. There will not be an uprising of any kind.
I've always liked this quote from Robert Fisk:
"The Americans must leave. The Americans will leave. But the Americans can't leave. That's the equation that turns sand into blood."
That we are unloved in Iraq is no surprise after eight years of occupation and constant empty pronouncements of how much good we have done. We're the LIza Minelli of occupiers, w-a-y overstaying our moment.
But this is politics, not love. The US certainly WANTS to keep troops in Iraq, the question is how many can we get away with and what will be their real rules of engagement.
I subscribe to the "scores settling" theories above; the constant drumbeat of violence in Iraq translates into targeted killings of mostly Sunni leaders. The Shia forces will no doubt step up their game after 1/1/12 and one condition Malaki is likely to impose is that US troops are for training and external defense only. Intramurally, it's Iraqi-on-Iraqi go time. Having the US assure his borders also leaves more shooters for Malaki to employ downtown, and somewhat limits how much pressure Iran can put on him.
Training will be the other allowed task. The Iraqis continue to buy F-16s and M1A1s from us, and those come with long training tails. The current Iraqi military is gleefully Third World, and will welcome the help. The US has been playing this role anyway for the past few years, so continuing it will be business as usual.
Predication: a low number will be announced of troops to stay on to quiet the critics (here and in Iraq) and then as "training needs" increase the number will grow as troops flow in "temporarily."
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We will stay on, JWING is pretty tight in his view
The Kurds and the Sunni want us to stay, almost totally out of selfish reasons, such as staying alive but they want us to stay none the less. There are mixed views in all of the groups in Iraq in regard to how they see Americans but I do not see us totally leaving anytime soon nor do I think popular opinion will matter that much in the final decision.
How many will stay on as "Advisors" and where they will be stationed is up in the air still, any place in Kurdish controlled hands would be the safe bet since there would be a lower chance of Americans still getting directly attacked there but that still does not mean they will go to that location. As for Americans wanting us out, technically we would be out if we only leave behind a "Advise and Assist" force of 3-10,000 people, including support troops and contractors, I do not see the general US population caring that much.
Eric, your take is probably correct
The Kurds are, unsurprisingly, the most pro-American, although I doubt they would be massacred if we leave, provided they don't support their cousins doing anything cute across the Iranian or Turkish borders.
The Sunni Arabs are the most in actual danger. In fact, if I were a critical Sunni Arab I'd suspect Sunni Arab leaders of foreign states being more than willing to throw me and mine under the bus in order to score some anti-Iranian talking points. The Palestinian diaspora's negative experience in Sunni states would give me some food for thought. That said, I believe said foreign Sunni Arab leaders might very well be supporting, behind closed doors, a US continued presence in Iraq as a counterbalance to Iranian influence. Of course, they won't pay for their protection against the Shia bogeyman, having more important things to spend their money on like fake islands in the Gulf, their 4,000 first cousins, bullets for protestors, or trying to spread Wahhabi ideology amongst the Tatars and other non-Arab Muslims.
On popular American opinion, you are correct, the hoi polloi mostly don't care. Many aren't taxed directly (don't make enough money) and think that they aren't paying for these interventions and the means by which they are taxed for US foreign policy (on goods and services including infrastructure and through debt-caused inflation) is too convoluted for them to understand. When a value added tax comes, and I suspect it will, that won't even make them angry.
"On popular American opinion, you are correct, the hoi polloi mostly don't care. Many aren't taxed directly (don't make enough money) and think that they aren't paying for these interventions and the means by which they are taxed for US foreign policy (on goods and services including infrastructure and through debt-caused inflation) is too convoluted for them to understand. When a value added tax comes, and I suspect it will, that won't even make them angry." Very true indeed, so many things have changed my mind about the AVF and that is one of them, really starting to think we need a draft/conscript military.
If the Iraqis are waiting out the clock...
...then what was the point of those 8 years of liberation/occupation/?reconstruction? All the US has done is expend additional blood and treasure and credibility without any appreciable benefit to either Americans or Iraqis.
Would be worthwhile to re-open the debate about "go long, or get big, or get out" that occurred pre-"Surge". Is there an appreciably better outcome in 2011/12 because of the past few years and the depth and breadth of US-involvement? Subsequent to a conspicuous departure of occupiers, the presence of advisors and trainers on isolated bases would have worked fine in the 2003 to 2011 time period. Perhaps Douglas Feith and Tommy Franks were on to something....
Besides the few US senior leaders who claim some kind of benefit, the ground truth would suggest that the Iraqis have not been changed at all, and they maintain a deep and refined hatred of American military and political power.
The whole Iraq thing was never going to better than the lies that justified the invasion. A sad episode for America, and even worse on balance for Iraqis. Slightly more sad that Americans will take away some notion that their miltary might is indispnsible to Iraqi and regional security.
The Saudi Arabs have a bi ol' fat oil card to play, and they will, in order to keep Iraq as a buffer between them and Iran. Think of the 10,000 stay-behind Americans as a tripwire, sort of like those in Korea. Except Sunni Arabs and Shi'a Persians are a lot less likely to be as nice as Kim Il 1 and 2.
Also bear in mind that Iraq itself possesses quite a few Muslim tourist attractions. Not as meaningful as Mecca and Medina, but still important. OBL used American presence in the Saudi holy land as his excuse for jihad. No one seems to ever mention that we long ago did what OBL wanted: withdraw troops from Saudi Arabia.
Of course Saudi Arabia is concerned with its northern border and I'm sure they'd like to see our troops given an extension. However, the House of Sa’ud will most likely continue to develop its ties with China, and India, not only for economic reasons, but to develop their own strategy toward countering Iran's influence in Iraq, bringing those two oil dependent country’s diplomatic and economic pressure on Tehran.
Additionally, causes for bin laden come-and-go. His last audio tape in 2008 made mention his latest cause celebre is now the liberation of Palestine, keying on the Gaza. . .a smart guy, since this is an issue that won’t be getting any better, before it gets worse. It is my bet if Israel invades Gaza again, we will see symbolic attacks in Iraq on American forces increase.
The Saudis were against the U.S. invasion, gave support to the insurgency, and hates Shiite rule in Iraq like nobody's business. To Riyadh, Iraq is already "lost" to Tehran.
Yes, the Saudis did make their objections known to Bush that they were against an invasion, as well as doing very little to cooperate later in stopping the influx of Saudi and foreign jihadists into Iraq through the Saudi Kingdom.
However, now that the deed is done, perhaps like the Chinese that enjoy seeing a security presence of American forces in S. Korea, the Saudis have resigned themselves that the same holds true for them in Iraq?
Besides, for China (and India), oil security is largely about avoiding disruption to supplies; why would China desire to see Iraq disintegrate into chaos, in a region that accounts for 1/2 of their oil imports, something the House of Sa'ud recognizes and will certainly leverage, as China is the Kingdom's number 1 customer now.
When Maliki returned to power after the 2010 elections, the Saudis went right back to giving Baghdad the cold shoulder. As long as the Shiite parties run Iraq, the Saudis will not cooperate. They don't even have an ambassador in Baghdad.
...the Saudis are using some Anbar Sunnis as a buffer and proxy force. Check out this article: http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/11/world/fg-sheik11
Secret memos expose link between oil firms and invasion of Iraq
* Tony Blair, 6 February 2003: "Let me just deal with the oil thing because... the oil conspiracy theory is honestly one of the most absurd when you analyse it. The fact is that, if the oil that Iraq has were our concern, I mean we could probably cut a deal with Saddam tomorrow in relation to the oil. It's not the oil that is the issue, it is the weapons..."
"The Foreign Office invited BP in on 6 November 2002 to talk about opportunities in Iraq "post regime change". Its minutes state: "Iraq is the big oil prospect. BP is desperate to get in there and anxious that political deals should not deny them the opportunity."
Our young people were killed and mutilated fighting for oil companies. The media insiders knew it along and pimped the WMD story. The truth is coming out for one and for all. The evil in all this is beyond words. Crime does not pay.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/secret-memos-expose-link-between-oil-firms-and-invasion-of-iraq-2269610.html
Oil Was An Issue But Not Taking It Over
Oil was obviously an issue for the U.S. and England when dealing with Iraq, but I think it was a strategic issue. Officials from the two countries had been talking about Saddam being a threat to the free flow of oil through the Persian Gulf for years. I'm sure that officials in both governments also talked about Iraq's oil before the invasion. However I don't think that ever became policy. That's easy to discern by what happened.
1) When the U.S. actually ran Iraq under the CPA it refused to privatize the oil industry because they knew it would create huge protests within the country. Instead oil and gas remained a state monopoly.
2) When Iraqi sovereignty was returned in 2005 neither the U.S. nor England pushed Baghdad to open up its oil to foreign companies.
3) Iraq's Oil Ministry did not sign a foreign oil contract until 2008, which was with a Chinese state-run company, and didn't allow western oil companies into its market until 2009 when two bidding rounds were held. After that the Anglo-Dutch Shell company, America's Exxon Mobile, and England's BP were the only U.S.-English companies to win bids. The Technical Service Agreements offered by Baghdad greatly favor the government over the oil companies, and limit profits.
If you're saying that 3 U.S.-British oil companies took 8 years to get into the Iraqi market, and then in joint ventures with the government, with very limited profit margins shows that Iraq was about "blood for oil" go ahead, but I don't think you'll have a convincing argument.
If you're talking about U.S. and British companies coming in and taking over the industry after the invasion, then I would so no. Hasn't happened.
http://musingsoniraq.blogspot.com/2011/04/was-iraq-war-about-oil.html
There are some minor to mid-sized U.S. and British companies operating in Kurdistan, but they are not pumping oil and don't have the right to export either. They're doing exploratory work in the hopes that sometime in the future Baghdad and Irbil will come to an agreement over energy resources.
It's more than a little ironic that people that discuss population centric theories don't think the american people(a) care about anything other than ESPN and the prices of beer and gas.(b) That we can't understand anything unless some expert tells us what to think or that we don't know a con job when we see one. (c) That we are incapable of acting in defense of our economic and social interests. I suggest a refresher course in american history is in order-pay particular attention to 1876. We'll test this thesis in 2012 and see whose right. As for Iraq I'll bet on Turkey coming out ahead of Iran with the support of Saudi Arabia and Russia-follow the money.
We’re leaving (but the Iraqis really want us to stay)
I posted a comment on Adam L. Silverman's piece on my website "Warfare, Inc." It's too long to put in this space, so I've copied the link here:
http://americasfailureiniraq.com/2011/04/23/iraq-war-timeline-were-leaving-but-they-really-want-us-to-stay/
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