What an interesting, thoughtful book.

I've had this memoir, The Lost Battalion of Tet, on my shelf for a couple of years but had waited to read it in order of my research for the book I am working on. I am now, finally, studying the Vietnam War in 1968, so I turned to it. It is mainly about a 1st Air Cavalry infantry battalion that suffered 311 casualties in a few weeks, most of them after being surrounded outside Hue during the 1968 Tet Offensive, cut off with dwindling ammunition but without artillery support.

First, it strikes me as unusually honest in its relation of events and its depiction of people. This is a characteristic that it shares of one of my all-time favorite books, E.B. Sledge's With the Old Breed at Peleliu and Okinawa. Another similarity: Both books were written several decades after the events described, yet remained vivid.

In one passage, set in Quang Tri, Charles Krohn's battalion commander recommends to another battalion commander who is just arriving not to store any ammunition near a building with a shiny tin roof that was being used as an enemy aiming point. "You command your battalion and I'll command mine," responded Lt. Col. Herlihy Long. And then, writes Krohn, "A few hours later, Long was killed when an NVA rocket scored a direct hit on the ammunition." (78)

Then there is the rattled chaplain, Capt. Dan Klem, who asks to offer a prayer for a group of men about to undertake a dangerous mission behind enemy lines. "Instead of saying something inspirational . . . he asked God to be with the boys who were going to die," recalls the company commander, Capt. Robert Helvey, who was leading the reconnaissance mission. (210)

Krohn meditates well on the systemic failure and command failures at the brigade and division level that led to his battalion being cut off without much support. Near the end he offers this wise advice to commanders:

Try training for failure-system failure. Train under the assumption that one or more systems supporting you won't work knowing beforehand it reduces your probability of success. (281)

Goodreads.com

 

GOLD STAR FATHER

12:26 PM ET

February 10, 2011

Interesting...

Only 3 people reviewed "The Lost Battalion" on Amazon. Two basically hated the book, and the other, a confessed non-veteran, rates it high and thinks that "Obama and the other REMFs" need to read it. Ha!

 

TOM RICKS

12:31 PM ET

February 10, 2011

Nah

There are several different editions on Amazon.

 

CYRUSK

1:08 PM ET

February 10, 2011

look a little closer

Dear Gold Star Father -- there are different versions of the book on Amazon and the hard copy has significantl more reviews and majority are highly favorable. Look a little closer.

Signed - son of the author ;)

 

GOLD STAR FATHER

1:24 PM ET

February 10, 2011

OK, thanks

But, I'm still laughing over the "Obama and the other REMF's" comment.

 

TYRTAIOS

1:55 PM ET

February 10, 2011

One Good Deal After Another

The stretch of road from Hue to Quang Tri City, is designated Highway 1. This would have been a portion of the 1st Cav's area, a new area for many of them, having just moved-up from down south as I remember. It is also my recollection, that it took an outfit from the 1stCav over two weeks to fight its way 19 klicks to support us in Hue (my thanks).

The French troops many years before had a name for that particular portion of highway, they called it la Rue Sans Joie - the Street Without Joy.

 

JNSINAIKO

2:20 PM ET

February 10, 2011

I had a couple of friends in

I had a couple of friends in I Corps at that time - January - June 1968.

One, a marine used to talk about finding blond haired European bodies among the dead NVA. He speculated that they were either American deserters, or Russians or East German volunteers. Unfortunately he died in 2002 of hepatitis C which he got from a blood transfusion he received in the late 70s after a kidney operation for a problem his doctor believed was the result of heavy exposure to defoliants (agent orange). I don't remember his unit, but he wasn't in Hue- he was west of there out in the boonies someplace.

TYRTAIOS - I was a little younger than the guy I'm referring to - I turned 18 in 1972 (with a high lottery number much to my relief) - but remember seeing news report after news report about fighting on Route 1, which was basically the coast highway from the border down to Saigon if I remember correctly from my first memories of seeing stories about Vietnam in 1965 when I was 11 all the way to the final NVA offensive in 1975.

Tom - have you read Decent Interval by Frank Snepp? For me it is the best blow-by-blow narrative of that final NVA offensive in the spring of 1975, told from the POV of a leading CIA spook. Based in Saigon but with reports from all over the country.

 

SMB

3:51 PM ET

February 10, 2011

phase line green

Didn't Nicholas Warr's book start on Rte One south of Hue as well? Warr's Marine unit was near Hai Van Pass. Where was the 1st Cav unit?

 

RVN SF VET

4:05 PM ET

February 10, 2011

STREET WITHOUT JOY

Prior to deployment, one of the first books that I read in preparation was Bernard Fall's "Street Without Joy" (1961). As with "The Making of a Quagmire" by David Halberstam; they were predictive of what most of us would later encounter.

 

OSTAP

10:04 PM ET

February 10, 2011

Col Long

HERLIHY TOWNSEND LONG

COL - O6 - Army - Regular

Length of service 26 years
His tour began on Aug 7, 1967
Casualty was on Jan 27, 1968
In QUANG TRI, SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, GROUND CASUALTY
ARTILLERY, ROCKET, or MORTAR
Body was recovered

Panel 35E - Line 48

Cathy Long
daughter

A great dad
Although I was only 4 years old when my father was killed and I have no memories of him, I know that he was a great father who left 7 children who love him dearly. His name was Herlihy but he called himself Jack and we all miss and love him deeply. His brothers and sisters are deeply saddened as well and it's actually great to sit down and hear the stories of what a wonderful person/father he was. Jack (or "Man" as known to many) I wish I had known you but you reside in my heart always and I draw upon your strength and values. Love always, Your daughter, Cathy
Wednesday, April 10, 2002

 

ERIC HAMMEL

12:15 AM ET

February 11, 2011

Not Technically Tet

The first shots of the so-called Tet offensive occurred at 2200 hours, January 30, 1968. Long's death and the action in which it occurred were routine in context of the time and place. Long was CO, 5/7 Cav. The other battalion commander was LtCol Richard Sweet of 2/12 Cav.

Both battalions (5/7 Cav under LtCol James Vaught) were used in separate actions, one after the other, to help seal the Hue battlefield during the effort to turn out the VC and NVA forces there. The overlapping battlefields were to the west of Highway 1 between Hue and the ARVN base as PK (Poste Kilometer) 17.

I'm not sure what relevance any of this has on topics normally discussed here, but I was fortunate to interview Generals Sweet and Vaught, and several key officers of both battalions, while putting together my Hue combat narrative, Fire in the Streets.

As a squint into how the history sausages are made, I never knew Charlie Krohn existed until his book came out. Sometime after that, some of the 2/12 officers I knew intimated that his motivation had at least a little to do with umbrage he had taken at my coverage of his battalion's travails. My view was, and remains, that I handled a sidelight of what, to me, was a portrait of urban battle, in the context of the technique involved in sealing an urban battlefield. As a matter of fact, my editor at the time wondered why I squandered so many pages on a pair of actions so far removed from my book's center of gravity.

This goes to show how a lot of people can't figure out the purpose of the book in front of them. I've grown too old and too beat to hell to debate this crap. If Krohn was moved by what he sees as my shortcomings to produce a book focused on what he considers important enough to bear the effort, then the purpose of History is served that much to the better.

 

CHARLESKROHN

11:44 AM ET

February 11, 2011

Clarification

Eric, years pass and memories fade, but I don't recall taking issue with you. And if I did, it was misplaced. I know that Tet didn't begin "officially" until the end of Januiary 1968, but I hold that the major attack on LZ Ross on 3 Jan 68 was aimed at drawing our forces from the coastal areas into the remote western regions, thus making the cities on the coast more vulnerable to NVA plans to trigger events that would collapse the Saigon government. The purpose of my book, however, is to explore the decision-making process within the 1st Air Cavalry Division that resulted in 2/12th Cav being ordered to attack an entrenched NVA regimental-size force without air or artillery support. Meanwhile, I place high value on you and your commentary.

 

ERIC HAMMEL

1:17 PM ET

February 11, 2011

You're Right

Charlie, you're right, memories do fade, and mine is as apt to be as faded as the next guy's. After I posted last night I got the feeling that you and I put all this to rest in a phone conversation, way back when. I also recall that Dick Sweet worked on me to write a book about the 2/12th Cav. I might have, but I was already mapping out my next venture, and then your book came out.

As to when Tet started, early contacts at Khe Sanh and elsewhere, are signs that Giap was setting the stage, literally. He was indeed ordering contact in isolated areas pre-Tet to draw large units to strategically useless areas all through South Vietnam. His aim was not so much at U.S. forces as at GVN forces, which had to be crushed to make the offensive politically meaningful and set conditions for the General Uprising. The Cav and 101st were particularly off balance at the start because (a) Giap was screwing with them, (b) the AO was completely new to them, and (c) both divisions (and both Marine divisions) were strung out from moving.

 

AWR

12:27 AM ET

February 11, 2011

Highway 1 or 19

is streetwitour Joy from HW 1 or HW 19

mobile group 100 got eliminated on HW 19

 

ERIC HAMMEL

2:57 AM ET

February 11, 2011

Street Without Joy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Without_Joy

 

CMEYERGO

1:21 AM ET

February 11, 2011

Let me toss fuel on this smoke

There are plenty of hidden disasters from the pointless Nam conflict, where we tried to stop democracy to preserve French colonialism, just for "CIA" fun and games. (read Prouty's "JFK" to learn what this "war" was about.)
Anyway, allow me to jar minds with my classic:

"Lost Battles of the Vietnam War"
http://www.g2mil.com/lost_vietnam.htm

As everyone here knows, the comments are what makes this blog fun, educational, and interesting. Otherwise it would die from corporate fluff about war dogs and the trauma of spouses.

 

GOLD STAR FATHER

7:19 AM ET

February 11, 2011

As Everyone Here Knows?

Sir, you are a heartless bastard. You honor the wars over the warriors.

 

GOLD STAR FATHER

8:27 AM ET

February 11, 2011

CMEYERGO

I apologize for my previous "bastard" comment, that was wrong of me, but I stand by with "heartless".
If we lose our humanity, even regarding dogs and the trauma of widows, when we analyze the policies of the USA, we have lost our right to civilly interact with the rest of the world.

 

MILITARYCS

3:26 PM ET

February 12, 2011

Tom and GSF, I beg to differ

The danger in skimming responses and not following posted links is that one can miss the intent of the poster. Tom is suggesting that CMEYERGO is 'an ideologue looking to score points' when, upon further investigation, CMEYERGO is actually the 'human being [and veteran] seeking understanding of difficult subjects'.

CMEYERGO states in his link: "Ignoring these losses does great disservice to all those brave men who fought and died in these battles, as well as those now dying in Iraq and Afghanistan."

As a Gold Star Father you, GSF, identify as one who has suffered lost. I would think that you, sir, more than anyone else, would have an interest in seeing that observations and, yes, opinions about the conduct of wars and the function/dysfunction of our military see the light of day. Especially if those observations/opinions come from a veteran. Our observations and opinions seem heartless only because they generally do not mimic the constant barrage of public cheerleading, flag waving and, as CMEYERGO aptly, but inelegantly, puts it, 'corporate fluff'. Your grief and loss, GSF, is often used to perpetuate egregious errors in foreign policy. The recent documentary "The Tillman Story" is a supreme example of this.

My understanding of CMEYERGO's message is that he's not disparaging your trauma but pointing out that the comments we all make are sometimes more enlightening than what's allowed or chosen to be printed by the masthead. Tom Ricks may drive this bus but that doesnt stop us passengers (readers) from having a conversation in the back end.

 

GOLD STAR FATHER

3:51 PM ET

February 12, 2011

Yes, Sir, You are Correct

If I haven't apologized to CMEYERGO enough for my blurt of yesterday, I do it again. But what you say is correct:
"Your grief and loss, GSF, is often used to perpetuate egregious errors in foreign policy. The recent documentary "The Tillman Story" is a supreme example of this."

I don't look for sympathy for my own personal experience, nor do I expect it. If you have followed my posts, you will see that my concerns are with the disparagement of my country. If I can use my own loss as a metaphor at risk of someone reading my intents wrongly, it is a risk I run. Because I have lost a son in Iraq, my opinions seem to be jaded any way. I can't do any thing about it. I care nothing about poor-me sympathy. I can't save my son or the thousands of others lost in foolish war, but I can complain, and I will continue to do so, about the status of my country vis a vis the rest of the world. We went wrong, horribly wrong, and I wish to see things better. I felt this way prior to my son's loss--the war upon Iraq was wrong in so many ways.

I don't care if people crap on me, just don't belittle the widows.

CMEYERGO, I was wrong if my previous posts implied that you don't consider the loss of brave troops. Semper Fi Sir.

 

TOM RICKS

10:26 AM ET

February 11, 2011

Thank you, GSF

In addition for being a voice of reason and civility, you've shown the difference between an ideologue looking to score points and a human being seeking understanding of difficult subjects.
With deep respect,
Tom

 

RVN SF VET

12:14 AM ET

February 14, 2011

TWO EDITIONS OF SAME BOOK?

What has been added to the more current edition of this book?

Thank you.

 

Thomas E. Ricks covered the U.S. military for the Washington Post from 2000 through 2008.

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