I thought Jim Gourley had a lot of wisdom to impart in yesterday's discussion with his comments about how internal grief often is expressed as external anger. If you didn't see it, go back and look

Meanwhile, further exploring this theme of disliking the yellow ribbon mentality, there was this from "Strykertyme," which I nominate as a tie for comment of the day:

When I was in Iraq from Aug 06-Feb 07 I never left the wire. We received IDF maybe two times, one of which we didn't even know anything had happened until the big voice announced "ALL CLEAR" out of nowhere. So, I can't speak on what it was like to go out on patrols, get shot at, blown up, and do the heavy work of the war.

I was one of about 12 Marines working at a hospital with a bunch of Navy Medical Personnel (some of whom drove me crazy, but all of them were great at their jobs, so I hold them in very high regard). This unique job put me in some very thought provoking situations, thoughts I'm still contemplating today.

We received 112 KIAs, mostly Iraqis, but at least 1/3 were American service members, a few of which died within the Hospital itself (the darkest moments of the deployment). Each one made me contemplate our being there. Each one led me to the thought of some Mom back in the States who at the time had no idea that her son had died in a terrible IED blast or fell victim to a sniper's round, etc., and that within hours she'd be notified, and her world would be flipped upside down forever. Each one led me to ask myself, what the f*** are we doing here?

I've been back nearly 4 years now, left the Marine Corps in 08, and I still can't come to terms with that question. The more I think about it, the more I become sick to my stomach, and each "thank you" only reinforces that feeling. I hope to one day get to the point where "thank you" doesn't make me feel awkward, but I don't see that being anytime soon.

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DISTRICTOFCOLUMBIA

7:17 PM ET

December 10, 2010

Team America

Do you also dislike seeing Redskins flags or a Red Sox bumper sticker on cars? If you were a football or baseball player for those teams, would that make you sick? Why?

If you had a football team, but no fans, would you still play the game at the same level of intensity?

They thank you because whatever your motivation, you knowingly, willingly gave up your own freedom and risk your life in support of a greater cause.

They thank the Gunnery Sergeant who doesn't get to tuck her kids in at night, because she fully knew the consequences of her choice and did it anyway, so that your wife can go to work every day in New York City with less fear of a terrorist attack, or so that Afghan girl can go to school one day.

The job at hand is irrelevant. Even if you 'wasted' years in Iraq fighting for an 'unworthy' cause, that was not your intent. You joined to defend the Constitution of the United States against enemies, foreign and domestic, and that alone is noble. Your leader decided the cause.

If you were deployed to Sudan to give humanitarian aid to refugees, would you accept that Thank You?

If it's just a job to you, then yes, roll your eyes at the Thank You. But maybe it's time for a new job.

 

STRYKERTYME

12:58 PM ET

December 11, 2010

Nowhere in my comment does it

Nowhere in my comment does it say I don't appreciate people's "thanks," I simply state how it makes me feel. It makes me feel awkward, not ungrateful as some people on these boards have labeled this feeling. It's not a matter of my political beliefs and understandings dictating my opinion or feelings, it's a matter of my initial gut reaction to the well meaning "thank you for your service" comment that I occasionally receive.

I think any comparison between sport and war is ridiculous. It's not about national pride, or fighting harder because somebody back home tells you "thank you" when the fight is done. It's about personally seeing the body of a young man whose life is done. It's about taking inventory of his personal possessions, the photographs of his little girl back home, the wedding ring, etc. It's about wondering what effect his death will have on his family and loved ones back home, and on society as a whole.

That was my war, and it will always be something I'll carry with me until I die. Call it survivor's guilt, call it being ungrateful, call it whatever you want. It's how I feel. I knew what I got myself into, and I knew the risks I was taking, but that doesn't lessen the effects of my service. It doesn't excuse me from the natural thoughts which have accompanied my experiences.

 

TOM RICKS

2:03 PM ET

December 11, 2010

Well said, Strykertyme

Especially the last graf. And expressed with notable restraint, too.
Thanks again,
Tom

 

CORPSMANUP24

2:24 PM ET

December 12, 2010

Thank you is uncomfortable.

Strykertime and Tom Ricks,

I am very conflicted about the “Thank you for your service.” I’ve reviewed the four articles and understand the sentiment.

The first thing I will say is that what makes me feel good is that my guys “who still have a lot of problems” made it possible for the United States to look at those serving in a different light that in the 60’s and 70’s.

The next thing to say is that the feeling expressed about the losses; the toe tags; and the body bags will never go away. No matter how long you live. That is the problem with the Thank yous. Too many of us know names, faces, and personalities that will never hear the thank yous.

This factors into the equation.

The problem with the thank you’s is that too many people are now coming out and thanking those from 40 years ago.

As has been said in your four articles Thank you for doing your duty is not fitting. We all had our motivations for serving (in the 1960’s and in the Oughts and 10’s).

But those of us from the past sometimes feel like telling those thanking us: “Where the hell were you when Fonda was on the twin anti-aircraft weapon? Where were you when we needed a hand in the 60’s and you called us drug-crazed baby killing Viet Nam veterans.

The ones who did the name calling are now the ones who are saying “Thank you for your service.”

You know as well as I that so many of those who are thanking the veterans qualify their thank you’s with “I don’t/didn’t agree with the war, but, we can’t blame the warriors.”

So many of the people who say that tell me that they were against the war. That happens with Iraq and Afghanistan. I have a major problem with the hypocracy.

These people never had a man laying on the ground with 7.62 rounds across the chest and the front quarter of the skull blown away and you’re trying to keep him alive. They don’t go to sleep with the memory of the Marine who had both legs blown off, starting to go into shock and you’re afraid to give him morphine because it could kill the Marine.” Then they thank you after saying that they were against the war.

Where were they in 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, and 1972? They were outside the gates at Travis; at LAX; Fort Lewis; El Toro and other places. They were in DuPont Circle; Jackson Square; and Georgetown yelling “Peace, love, and drugs.”

That is when the “We honor your service” should have gone down. But, we were met with John Kerry and the specter of the “Winter Soldier” meetings.

So Thank you’s may be appropriate, and in some ways welcome. But, I, like many of my peers, do not understand how to take these words. We don’t know if these words are like the ones that were uttered in the 60’s or the words of asking for forgiveness by Ms. Fonda when she was doing a movie in Connecticutt. She later showed her true colors in her going against the nation again. She did not change her spots. Is her thank you welcome or worthless.

We tried to make sure that our veterans are not disrespected as we were. We’ve shown that finally the United States realizes that the Viet Nam veterans’ are cut from the same cloth as their forefathers “The greatest generation.”

Our love of country and the willingness to serve was well demonstrated as is those of this generation.

 

Thomas E. Ricks covered the U.S. military for the Washington Post from 2000 through 2008.

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