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A young infantryman based at Fort Hood wonders whether it is a violation of the UCMJ for a soldier to drive on a base in a car with an anti-Obama bumper sticker. He notes, "I'm told that at Fort Leavenworth, home of the CGSC, having such overtly political bumper stickers will get you a ticket from the MPs. Evidently, Fort Hood has no such policy. I find all of this to be very troubling."

I wonder if this is because Leavenworth is officer-heavy, and commissioned officers aren't allowed to dis the president or other senior officials. I remember someone telling me that no such prohibition on "contemptuous words" spoken against senior officials applies to enlisted. It reminds me of what a drill sergeant at Fort Benning once said to me: "We're not like the Marines. You can be a Marxist for all I care. We don't care what you think, we just care if you can hit the target."

I hope Ft. Hood isn't going easy on the anti-Obama stuff just because old George W. Bush clears brush up the road. Remember, fellas, we only have one president at a time.

 

KIESELGUHR KID

11:12 AM ET

October 13, 2010

No, it's fine, and if that's true the Leavenworth MP's are wrong

I've seen some pretty extreme anti-Obama bumper stickers quite commonly on a few Army bases now. Don't personally agree, but it's cool, and you're explicitly allowed to have that stuff on your personal vehicle.

 

TYRTAIOS

12:03 PM ET

October 13, 2010

I think you might be correct

I think you might be correct under Article 88, as this is a display of a political discussion or statement, which is allowed, and should be be viewed as non-contemptuous under that article. However, there is always Article 133, which is generally added-in, as is Article 134 for enlisted, when preferring charges?

 

OTHER RANKS

1:45 PM ET

October 13, 2010

Also, the statement "Impeach

Also, the statement "Impeach Obama" on it's face is a legally permissible action, though might run afoul of ones mentioned by Tyrtaios . On the other hand, a "F* Obama" sticker would be much more clearly contemptuous towards the President.

As to a ban on bumper stickers, under DOD Directive 1344.10 a service member may:

4.1.1.8. Display a political bumper sticker on the member’s private vehicle.

but may not:

4.1.2.11. Display a large political sign, banner, or poster (as distinguished from a
bumper sticker) on a private vehicle.

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/134410p.pdf

 

MIKEMCINERNEY

10:18 PM ET

October 14, 2010

AR 600-20, Appendix B

While the first amendment embodies our nation's most cherished values, it simply incorrect to assume that the freedom of speech extends to service members in the same way that it does to civilians. Besides UCMJ, Army Regulations give "specific guidance on those political activities that are permitted or prohibited." While "Soldier on active duty may...Display a political sticker on the Soldier’s private vehicle," among other activities "a Soldier on active
duty will not...Use contemptuous words against the officeholders described in Section 888, Title 10, United States Code (10
USC 888)." This applies to all soldiers on active duty, whether officer or enlisted.

Does a bumper sticker stating "IMPEACH OBAMA" constitute contemptuous words? I am no lawyer, but I have been a Commander and believe that Commanders have the authority to make that judgement call using reason and common sense. Thankfully, the regulation allows for that. "Some activities not expressly prohibited may be contrary to the spirit and intent of this policy. In determining whether an activity violates the traditional concept that military personnel should not engage in partisan political activity, rules of reason and common sense will apply."

As dear as free speech is to our nation, the principle of civilian control of the military is just as important. As professionals, it is our responsibility to enforce our own norms of behavior. The regulation is clear. Overt partisanship is to be avoided. I'd lend the soldier my scraper.

 

JPWREL

12:09 PM ET

October 13, 2010

In our system we judge

In our system we judge actions not words. It is every American’s privilege to make a complete ass of himself but it is not his privilege to harm others by his speech such as O. W. Holmes famous injection against falsely yelling fire in a dark crowded theater.

 

MOOJ KILLER

1:00 PM ET

October 13, 2010

Stickers

Funny, I always thought that it was the Obama supporters that put their stickers on crooked. No attention to detail.

 

STEVE C

1:17 PM ET

October 13, 2010

Rank?

Is the title Commander in Chief, a rank?

Would a soldier enjoy such impunity if the subject were a senior army officer?

 

STILLBALLIN75

1:54 PM ET

October 13, 2010

lol

was the benning drill sergeant implying that Marines can't be Marxists?

 

GIANGENTILE

2:12 PM ET

October 13, 2010

I would have ordered him/her to take it off

I got all of the legal points that are most certainly technically correct, but if I were still in command of a cav squadron at Fort Hood and the soldier was in my outfit I would have ordered him/her to remove the bumper stickers. In my view it is just bad form and not helpful for good order and discipline. It crossed the line.

Anyway what would be next, a bumper sticker that stated "relieve the commanding officer?"

Dont overthink this problem, it is just wrong and should not be allowed and tolerated.

gian

 

KINSHANE

3:44 PM ET

October 13, 2010

Agreed

Agreed, sir. That soldier is creating a bad atmosphere in his unit, so that should allow his commander to tell him to take it off. I've heard of similar circumstances with soldiers displaying the confederate flag.

 

RUBBER DUCKY

4:22 PM ET

October 13, 2010

Standard view from the senior Army

"That First Amendment stuff — that's crap!"

Gian, you've got a lot going for your good ideas. This ain't one of them.

 

KIESELGUHR KID

4:22 PM ET

October 13, 2010

Ouch, he has civilian rights...

Sir, but I think if he bit back, you'd lose that one -- and that would be worse for good order and discipline. For that matter I think you'd breed resentments and risk splitting the squadron on political lines.

I mean, I'm generally left-wing, but I would've found the same sentiments on a bumper sticker repulsive when directed against, say, President Bush, and it's nothing to do with military: it's just random extremism tossed into the void.

But it's the soldier's POV. What do you do if he says his wife put the stickers there? Do you make him buy another car or get him a ride?

Ideally "good order and discipline" in the unit can be separated from outside political opinion: probably as a commander you would do better to seize the opportunity to reinforce that ideal, than to give an order which contradicts military policy and law.

 

TYRTAIOS

5:30 PM ET

October 13, 2010

Rubes like Weenie & Opie do it!

I think this is best handled by a good senior NCO, until a command policy is promulgated, who might point-out to the individual that this sort of jackassery is more in line with what Weenie and Opie do out in town. You know, those guys that always claim to see flying saucers?

Naw, on second thought, a waste of time: looking at all the stickers again, to include the national ensign upside down, I think this individual is Weenie. Have the base PMO cite him for a safety violation in regard to obstructing his rear window.

 

JUSTIN BISHOP

8:53 PM ET

October 13, 2010

Take it off

While legally ok, it remains in poor taste, and he should take it off.

@GianGentile - Sir, I had the pleasure of hearing you speak (and later speaking with you) a few years back at the APCSS course on Counter-Terrorism. In the past few months I've read much about your name being mentioned as one of the new leading U.S. military thinkers on counterinsurgency, and are glad you are finally getting some of the credit you most earnestly deserve. I'm also glad to know I'm in outstanding company as read Tom Rick's most excellent blog!

 

SOLDIERSDIARY

5:29 AM ET

October 14, 2010

not one good idea

RD, you have never hada good idea, we are still waiting for one...perhaps you can tie this into a rant about the AVF

 

RUBBER DUCKY

5:46 PM ET

October 14, 2010

Losers

All.

 

CAPTAIN HILTS

3:58 PM ET

October 13, 2010

It's not illegal, but it's bad form.

It's bad for unit morale. "No politics in the wardroom" is a standard for the Royal Navy and a good rule for all the military.

Hell, my Dad would never put a USNA sticker on the car because he didn't think that was good for morale either. Good on him.

 

CAPTAIN HILTS

4:00 PM ET

October 13, 2010

This reminds me of a time a

This reminds me of a time a few years ago when I was driving around Quantico, VA and there was a Volvo Wagon in front of me with all the standard Rah Rah Marine Corps bumper stickers, "When it absolutely has to be destroyed..." and so forth. In the middle of those was one sticker "Cats Against George Bush." Yeah, I laughed.

 

GIANGENTILE

6:46 PM ET

October 13, 2010

I might be wrong on this one, but my gut tells me otherwise

I know, I know, good points in response to my strident post.

Agreed the soldier might push back, and it is a thorny one in terms of the rights of the soldier with freedom of speech as a citizen.

I would do it carefully by briefing my higher commander beforehand and also discuss it with legal, but I know how I was back then about these things and it would drive me nuts to come into work every day and see that truck in the parking lot with those stickers on it. I would feel like it is slapping me, the unit, the army, and all that we stand for as servants to the nation, in the face, not to mention the racial undertones involved that clearly would be perceived by others in the unit. It would not simply be perceived as a political statement.

Bottom line is that yes I might lose if the soldier pushed back legally but i would make a point up front and to everybody around that I stood for something and that something would be grounded in the principle that we are soldiers in a democracy and in service to the state, not in opposition to it as the stickers represent.

To be sure it would be a judgment call, but again in my judgment it is an action that has crossed the line and I would do my best not to let it stand.

gian

 

RUBBER DUCKY

7:00 PM ET

October 13, 2010

C'mon...

All this cute crap to figure out how to nail the guy for ... exercising his (or her) options under the First Amendment. It tells me that you just don't get it: i t i s h i s RIGHT t o d o t h i s !! It's protected under the Constitution that you swore an oath to uphold and defend. You do not have the authority to issue an unlawful order abridging that right.

I know, I know - the First Amendment was introduced by Communists and is kept in place by the Taliban. But it's still in place and it's your place to defend, not to figure out how to evade it ... and abuse your authority and be an asshole in the process.

Yet another reason to quit hiring mercenaries and put citizens in uniform. At least they know what they'd be fighting for.

 

KIESELGUHR KID

7:56 PM ET

October 13, 2010

But you can easily have it both ways....

Sir, part of why I find your comments -- well, bizarre -- is that you are turning a strong hand into a weak one.

You're ending with a weak hand because:

The soldier is legally fine. He gets to be a citizen with all the rights thereof when he takes off his uniform off duty (the commenter seeing no First Amendment problem is wacky, especially because so many retirees and families drive around post). The stickers are extreme but unfortunately that's also sort have become mainstream dialogue and you see that exact speech in some very public fora so you, not he, would end up looking like a zealot (and for an _officer_ -- wow, that's bad).

But the thing is, you _started_ with a strong hand. We're all clear that the officer better not say crap like this in uniform, or on duty -- then his ass is yours. Well, guess what -- this boob is for sure going to speak his mind when he shouldn't. Or if you're right and just the truck itself causes that much dissension and anger among his fellows, then for sure he'll get challenged and say some dumb-ass thing about impeaching the President -- on duty, out loud. I'd tell my NCO to keep an ear to the ground for when that happens, and when it happens -- the kid's ass is mine, and I can keep my unit disciplined. Hell, after the humiliation he can even keep his stickers on his POV. It'll reinforce that point about private views/views on duty, and I'll have a nice example walking around for my men. Excelsior!

 

RUBBER DUCKY

8:19 PM ET

October 13, 2010

The military regulation ...

...is stated in the thread above. Cannot see this guy is violating it.

Your sailor in the wardroom? Easy: UCMJ ART. 117. PROVOKING SPEECHES OR GESTURES

Any person subject to this chapter who uses provoking or reproachful words or gestures towards any other person subject to this chapter shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

 

RUBBER DUCKY

7:40 AM ET

October 14, 2010

Wrong

The military applies the rules and regulations given them by Congress executing its Article I charge "To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces."

 

STEVE IN WNY

10:16 AM ET

October 14, 2010

racial undertones?

I understand the balancing act faced by a leader in this situation, but I REALLY don't see racial undertones. Seriously, 2 of the stickers disparage Democrats in general. One directly references Pres. Obama and advocates for his impeachment. I find that to be a ludicrous position, but how on earth does it have racial undertones? Sorry to keep looking backwards, but I recall seeing plenty of "Impeach Bush" stickers back in the day. Again, a ludicrous position, but similarly devoid of racial undertones.

 

JTINSC

9:25 PM ET

October 13, 2010

Is this really a soldier's vehicle?

Anybody notice what looks suspiciously like a US Marine Corps decal on the extreme bottom left corner of that pickup's rear window? Guess not, since nobody's mentioned it. The photo isn't attributed and one has to wonder if it was actually taken at Fort Hood. Further, one has to wonder if the vehicle in fact belonged to a soldier at all, especially given the USMC decal. Soldiers don't ordinarily affix such decals to their vehicles.

I know it wasn't a Marine because despite the vehement defense of First Amendment rights on the part of Rubber Ducky—a member of the same sea service as the USMC—he knows, as we all know, that no active duty Marine would be allowed to drive around a base with that on his car. Rubber Ducky is always quite eloquent in his hatred for all things Army; one wonders how he'd react if an active member of the sea services were involved. In point of fact, Rubber Ducky knows full well that neither the Navy nor the Marine Corps would tolerate this.

Rubber Ducky also gives us the UCMJ citation that covers why Gian Gentile is correct in his instinctive response: Article 117, provoking acts or gestures. One could also expand it to Article 134, for actions prejudicial to good order and discipline. It's tough enough being a military officer; no one needs the perturbation that could be caused by troops getting into each other's faces over bumper stickers. We went through that years agok

My guess is the vehicle in question is driven by either a civilian employee or a contractor. And maybe not even at Fort Hood at all, given that USMC decal. Show us the windshield. Military stickers incorporate blue or red colors to denote officers and enlisted; civilian and contractor stickers incorporate other colors.

I'm with Gian. I'd be real unhappy with any troop flying such stuff. And the way it works in the military is that if the commander is unhappy, everybody's unhappy. And inasmuch as all concerned want a happy military—most especially the NCOs and the junior enlisted personnel—one suspects that there is more to this whole bumper sticker thing than what we've gotten. Snuffy doesn't ordinarily go out of his way to be the nail sticking up.

 

TYRTAIOS

11:58 PM ET

October 13, 2010

NRA logo?

I don't know, that lower left hand sticker sure looks like it might have a NRA logo on it? Besides, generally Marines would have all decals nice and level with straight gig lines, as taught by their DI. : )

 

RUBBER DUCKY

7:37 AM ET

October 14, 2010

DOD Directive

I'm not aware that Navy or USMC applies the DOD Directive on bumper stickers etc. any differently from Army.

As to hating the US Army, no, I think it should be grand. Wish its members and leaders did the same ... or at least thought enough of it to believe it should be capable of winning the nation's longest war.

 

SOAP MCTAVISH

10:47 AM ET

October 14, 2010

I took this picture

I assure you, this vehicle exists...stickers and all. This truck is consistently parked in the Medical Clinic parking lot across the street from my BN HQ. The building in the upper right of the pic is actually my BDE HQ.

 

SOAP MCTAVISH

1:47 PM ET

October 14, 2010

correct, upper left

I meant the building in the upper left is my BDE HQ. Evidently you can't spell "lost" without "CPT" either.

 

HUNTER

4:50 PM ET

October 14, 2010

Concur it is NRA

Clearly readable as such too. I have often remarked at the similarity of those two bumper stickers though (USMC vs NRA). I don't think it is coincidence.

 

SOAP MCTAVISH

8:14 PM ET

October 14, 2010

NRA

Gents,

I just took a closer look at the eagle sticker...it's the NRA logo. If you zoom in, you find out that this person is an "endowment member" of the NRA, whatever that means. Hope that clears everything up.

V/R,
SOAP

 

ENLISTED

6:24 AM ET

October 14, 2010

Agreed that this "soldier's" decals look hinky

The "bumper stickers" are only taped onto the window. And as observed above, far from dressed. I see what looks to be the Marine emblem also, and another that I can't identify, but so far looks most like a Microsoft logo. I suspect that this is a hoax, too.

 

GTWICKLER

9:16 AM ET

October 14, 2010

Prank

Well, either Admiral’s on a nationwide Army base tour promoting his particular interpretation of US foreign policy, or somebody’s leg’s being pulled.

Twice.

At least. ;)

http://thechive.com/2010/06/28/royal-air-force-tornado-prank-2-photos/air-prank/

 

CAPTAIN NOVAL

9:52 AM ET

October 14, 2010

That annoying First Amendment

It doesn't exist to protect polite, popular speech. By definition it doesn't need protecting. It exists to protect annoying, unpopular, and even offensive ideas against the weight of the State.

It exists to protect Tom Ricks, Gian Gentile, Fred Phelps, and even a wiseass E-4 who has "1/20/09 END OF AN ERROR" or "IMPEACH OBAMA" on his bumper. Thank God this is a free country, and that some of you posters aren't allowed anywhere near a court room where freedom is often defended against the Leviathan.

 

ANON

9:55 AM ET

October 14, 2010

For some guidance...

Not 100% on target, but in the ballpark...

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/officials-74548-base-rights.html

Camp Lejeune officials said Thursday that a federal court ruling barring them from using traffic regulations to discriminate against certain bumper stickers would not prevent them from maintaining order and discipline aboard base.

Camp Lejeune’s commanding officer, Col. Richard Flatau, violated a base civilian employee’s free speech rights in 2008 by banning his anti-Islamic emblazoned car, a federal judge ruled Wednesday.

The base does not plan to ban all bumper stickers in response to the ruling, said Maj. Nat Fahy, director of public affairs for Marine Corps Installations East.

“The enduring matter, both for the base and for the nation, is dealing with the tension that naturally exists at the very subjective boundaries of individual conduct and the public good,” Fahy said.

Retired Marine Gunnery Sgt. Jesse Nieto filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court two years ago after base officials determined he could no longer drive his Toyota with decals and bumper stickers displaying anti-Islamic symbols and language onto any military installation. A civilian employee since 1994, Nieto had displayed since 2001 the bumper sticker messages including a decal that reads “Islam = Terrorism” and the image of a cartoon boy urinating on the picture of the Quran.

 

OTHER RANKS

11:20 AM ET

October 14, 2010

Some differences

A couple of differences: first, although retired, he's a civilian employee. Second, this was dealt with as a base policy violation and not a UCMJ one. Third and most importantly, the policy was selectively enforced.

My guess is that if the DOD directive didn't exist, the military would probably be able to ban political bumper stickers if they could reasonably show it was for good order & discipline or another military necessity. While it's well established that your Constitutional rights do not end when you put on the uniform, they are circumscribed in various ways. Generally, the courts have given wide, but by no means absolute, deference to the military in such matters. But since there is a DOD policy, that's all academic.

 

ARMYPAO

12:06 PM ET

October 15, 2010

Policy clarified

As a public affairs specialist for Fort Leavenworth, I hope to clarify some items.
Military personnel are allowed to display a political sticker on the soldier's private vehicle. What they are NOT allowed to to is display a large political sign, banner or poster (as distinguished from a bumper sticker) on the top or side of a private vehicle.

Also, use of contemptuous words against certain officeholders such as the President, Vice President, Congress, Secretary of the Defense or the Army, state governors and state legislators is prohibited for ALL military members, regardless of whether they are officers or enlisted.

This is the abbreviated version, as there are other things soldiers are permitted to and prohibited from doing. Information may be found in the Political Activities Guide, which is an Ethics Advisory from the Office of Special Counsel.
Rebecca Steed,
Fort Leavenworth Media Relations

 

ENLISTED

1:40 AM ET

October 16, 2010

Having read the DoD policy, not sure it limits authority....

of base commanders to control what's on their bases. This is the first I've heard about political stickers, but I know that racially divisive symbols and gang symbols have been banned from display anywhere on bases, with obvious good reason. The paragraph in the DoD policy allowing political bumper stickers on military members' POVs is in a group with others concerning actions that either couldn't or shouldn't take place on a military base. And commanders would determine if they could or should occur on base so probably the same with the bumper stickers.

And the ruling of the federal judge in the Nieto case sited above:

“While military officials are entitled to great deference in restricting speech to further the military’s needs, they may not do so in a manner that discriminates against a particular point of view,” Howard ruled.

The gist is that a base commander can prohibit all bumper stickers that put forth a ;political view on base, or none.

And while the military is certainly no democracy, I'd urge commanders to ban them all. Ugly, divisive, eyesores, all of them, including the ones whose sentiments I'd be inclined to agree with, otherwise expressed.

 

MALICEIT

8:22 PM ET

October 17, 2010

forgot...

...when anti-Bush stickers in aftermath of 9/11 guaranteed one way to you-dont-want-to-know-where ?

 

Thomas E. Ricks covered the U.S. military for the Washington Post from 2000 through 2008.

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