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India's home secretary says flatly that the Pakistani government controlled and ran the Mumbai attacks that killed 166 people in November 2008.

So does this mean the two countries are at war?

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GLYNCH23

3:30 PM ET

July 14, 2010

US at War with Pakistan?

The Times Square Bomber was a son of a member of the Pakistani Military.

US citizen, Daniel Pearl (Omar Sheikh) was killed by a terrorist who had coordinated and worked with the ISI.

http://www.slate.com/id/2200134/?from=rss
"We were all warned of this many years ago. When the Clinton administration sent cruise missiles into Afghanistan in reprisal for the attacks on our embassies in East Africa, the missiles missed Osama Bin Ladin but did, if you remember, manage to kill two officers of the ISI. It wasn't asked loudly enough: What were these men doing in an al-Qaida camp in the first place?"

Is the US at war with Pakistan?

 

NORBOOSE

4:46 PM ET

July 14, 2010

God No

When two countries have WMD, their special forces and intelligence agencies can get away with a lot of crap. Look at what us and the Soviets did to eachother. There is a huge leap between trying to gradually undermine the enemy (like what Pakistan was trying to do here) and starting a true "war" with them.

 

DESHDAAZ

5:23 PM ET

July 14, 2010

Good Lord Not just Yet !

Mr. Ricks,

Wish there was an affirmative answer to the question you pose. Sadly the answer is NO! Bharat(India) is a pushover. Every Tom,Dick & Harry can come & kill/ravage/plunder. There were Moghuls,Britons, Pakistanis. And guess who is next? Chinese? Cant wait! Many of Bharat's reading elite(NRI's, left-liberals,radical India Muslims) will call deshdaaz a Hindutva type but no one would dare reject the bitter fact just mentioned above. WMD or no-WMD, Pakistan will NEVER adopt policy of 'live-n-let-live' for suicidal thinking is part of DNA of the people of that land. Pakistan is a menace,a Jr. dragon fed by Sr. dragon. Sooner India contains, better for her economy, her present people and her future generations. Only if timid,vision-less and center-left leaning junk empty heads that rule my motherland understood this. Sigh:(

Deshdaaz,proud assertive Bharatiya nationalist.

 

LITTLEMANTATE

6:00 PM ET

July 14, 2010

What role for the Indian diaspora in this conflict?

Particularly the Hindu diaspora? You know, all those guys in North Carolina, New Jersey, or Virginia, feeling a little guilty because of their daughters acting like American teenyboppers and their kids' inability to say a single coherent sentence in their ancestral language, so they send cash home for nationalistic political parties and to convert tribal populations to Hinduism.

Another lovely mess the British left, maintained and exacerbated by colonial juvenility, and made gravely lethal by Cold war shenanigans.

Deshdaaz, you left out the Ghorids, Mahmud of Ghazni, the Lodis, and a host of other folks. But you are right, for millennia, lowland South Asia has been prey to carpetbaggers from what's now Iran, Afghanistan, and the C. Asian 'stans. And yet the Indians do find a way to rebuild and accomplish something, whereas their neighbors to the North can stand proud in their tribal independence and squalor.

 

TYRTAIOS

5:31 PM ET

July 14, 2010

Water Wars

Certainly New Delhi isn't pleased that, without a doubt previously ISI supported Lakshar-e-Taiba carried-out the attack in Bombay, however Tyrtaios' prediction is that India won't take military action over this incident due to American persuasion (possible slackening U.S. opposition to Israeli drone sales?).

However, having drank water out of a buffalo hoof print and been happy to get it, my mind is always on water. I predict that Pakistan and India may very well clash militarily over India's building higher than necessary dams over the Indus, and several other rivers which will surely lower water flow into Pakistan and deplete agriculture output dramatically?

 

ASHOK2718

7:00 AM ET

July 15, 2010

May be it would be too much strain for you

but if you could read the conclusion in this article published by Pakistanis (just 6 lines)

you may get the Idea on water "dispute"

Also Neutral Swiss authorities appointed to look into this matter rejected all Paki claims of water theft by India.

But then you know the world is under a US-Zionist-India-Russia-China-Europe-Canada-etc Conspiracy.

And only Pakistan is right.

THE ARTICLE :: http://www.henryjacksonsociety.org/stories.asp?id=1230

Also if anyone who believes in free press in India can also read

This one :: http://d-sector.org/article-det.asp?id=1160&idFor=1160

 

CARL

7:11 PM ET

July 14, 2010

We aren't at war with

We aren't at war with Pakistan. India isn't at war with Pakistan. The Pakistani Army/ISI is at war with both us and India. It completely mystifies me why we choose to ignore this. Our gov and intel agencies MUST KNOW this to be true and yet they pretend it isn't. We cannot prevail in Afghanistan unless we deal with the fact and we can't deal with it until we stop pretending it isn't.

If we do not prevail in Afghanistan, I wonder what the Indians will do. I fear they will not put up with it and the consequences for the Pakistanis may be severe.

I do admire the short term cleverness of the Pak Army/ISI though. They have contrived a situation whereby we partly finance their efforts against us. But then again their short term clever may come at the price of long term stupid.

 

DEPETRIS@WORDPRESS.COM

7:58 PM ET

July 14, 2010

Techincally no, realistically maybe

Well if you want a technical answer, then India and Pakistan are not at war. The Home Secretary may believe that Pakistan did in fact finance, facilitate, and execute the Mumbai attack, but his opinion doesn't really count. He's nothing but a meager member of the Prime Minister's cabinet...it's basically the equivalent of the Attorney General saying that Saudi Arabia was part of the September 11 attacks. The declaration has no merit.

But if you want to get realistic, then this statement only confirms what people in both nations have believed for over five/six decades. India and Pakistan have basically been at war with each other since the establishment of the Pakistani states. The Indian and Pakistani armed forces have been pointing their guns and artillery for ever; both came to the brink of a nuclear snafu in 1998; and every deployment by Indian soldiers is met with a redeployment by Pakistani soldiers. If this isn't a state of war- albeit without actual shooting and bombing- then they certainly are close.

http://www.depetris.wordpress.com

 

ASHOK2718

6:50 AM ET

July 15, 2010

Your analogy is wrong

because US official believes that something is so (which may be wrong)
that means other officials are also wrong.

That means the rank of an official is the measure of the truth that he speaks

If Bush said that Iraq has WMDs that meant that he was true

Right ? hahaahaha

What are you a pakistani ?

People there blame every problem on everyone else except themselves.

See a dog in a manger wouldn't either eat from it and wouldn't let stock eat from it.

That is what Pakistan is

They are like this crab which wouldn't let other crabs climb out just because it can't.

And yes anyone is welcome to kill people in India. We won't attack anyone. LIFE HERE IS VERY CHEAP

But life is precious in west and
The world is just beginning to learn what pakistan is capable of doing to western nations.

West will only take notice when the Islamic bomb will come at its doorsteps

 

CARDSHARP

11:10 PM ET

July 14, 2010

War Nerd Called It: Indians And Pakis Too ****y For War

Great article explains why they won't go to war, written in a tongue in cheek way but there are some good points

http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-called-it-indians-and-pakis-too-faggy-for-war/

 

BOBCHEN

1:29 PM ET

July 15, 2010

I was going to post that but

I was going to post that but you beat me to it.

War Nerd's columns are so darn entertaining.

 

ARYABHAT

9:05 AM ET

July 15, 2010

Low intensity warfare with deniability

Yes, India is victim of low intensity warfare by Pakistan since inception. When Taifawalas attacked Kashmir, Pakistani Govt denied it. When Paki troops raped and killed Bangladeshi,s Paki govt denied it. When Paki troops ivaded Kargil, its Govt denied it. But these were just open conflaragations.

Real war is deep low intensity war that Gen Zia gave name of Operation Topaz, to bleed India with htousand cuts. By exporting terrorists slow and steady, provide then arms and cover fire and then deny any links.

India's fault it its tendancy to claim Moral high ground and not retaliating in Kind. Till India do that, it will suffer. Else, just see what working with Muktibahini achieved!

 

MARTY MARTEL

12:46 PM ET

July 15, 2010

Gutless Sonia-Singh government

Even though India’s Home Secretary said that 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks were managed by Pakistani ISI from start to finish, India and Pakistan are NOT at war because India’s meek and naïve Sonia-Singh government decided long time ago to buckle under US pressure and restart this façade of PEACE dialogue with Pakistan under a barrel of gun.

That is why Indian government officials from Manmohan Singh down are repeating US mantras like ‘bridge the deficit of trust’ first used by US Defense Secretary Robert Gates to justify Pakistan’s terror connections.

That is why instead of cutting off diplomatic relations with Pakistan after Indian Home Secretary’s well-proven finger pointing towards Pakistani government’s master-minding of Mumbai terror attacks in November, 2008, India’s foreign minister Krishna visits Islamabad on the same day that an Indian Army Major is killed in a gunfight in Kashmir with Pakistan-aided infiltrators and the day after India’s Home Secretary had made a statement quoted by Thomas Ricks.

India is always ready to turn the other cheek under the ’banana’ leadership of Manmohan Singh who is a sucker for flattery. Indians have nobody to blame but themselves for having elected and reelected such a gutless DEMOCRATIC government.

 

ASHOK2718

4:37 PM ET

July 15, 2010

you are obviously NDA supporter

tell me why didn't BJP took any action against Pakistan after Parliament attack ?

Swallow pride until you have capacity to fight on two fronts.

 

JACOB BLUES

2:30 PM ET

July 15, 2010

Which is of course why the two nations had collectively over

2.0 million soldiers standing on their respective borders ready to rain death on the other just eight years ago.
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War between India and Pakistan remains a mainstay of their background relationships.
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This despite repeated diplomatic entreaties, from both each nation and the global powers.
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This won't happen until the issue of Kashmir is settled. And even then there are Pakistani concerns about India's encroachment into Afghanistan (which Pakistan considers its own personal backyard).
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But here, at least for India, containment is likely preferable, allowing the Country to focus on improving its own economy and infrastructure.

 

ASHOK2718

4:34 PM ET

July 15, 2010

Do you even thing before commenting ?

Do you know reason for troops buildup ? Indian parliament was attacked by Pakistani Stooges

India has always shown restraint which means we had many things to lose as opposed to hungry and depraved Pakistan.

Kashmir is a side issue

Whoever you if you are not already Pakistani

you should know that Pakistani militants had blamed everything, until now, on India but after losing 3 wars have somehow started including USA and Israel and Russia with India.

London bombers didn't bomb any Indian targets.

NY bomber didn't go to New Jersey to bomb Indian.(I can give many examples but these
are famous)

Earlier it was only India now the western world will see this.

You can't even imagine how many issues pakistan is carrying up its ass.

Containment from Afghanistan side ?

For what ? India is seeking no containment, just an embassy. What do you think will India gain by containing one side from other both of which are Idiot.

Mineral Resources ?? If west can not get (with it mighty army) how can India even think about it ?

 

GLYNCH23

7:53 PM ET

July 16, 2010

ISI paid Rs25L to LeT to buy boat for 26/11 attack: Headley

Looks like Pakistan is at war with India

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/ISI-paid-Rs25L-to-LeT-to-buy-boat-for-26/11-attack-Headley/articleshow/6177389.cms

 

Thomas E. Ricks covered the U.S. military for the Washington Post from 2000 through 2008.

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