Monday, April 5, 2010 - 7:58 AM

I noticed the other day that Gen. David Petraeus has been speaking all over the place and I figured if the Provo, Utah, newspaper could get an interview, so might I. So I did. This is what he had to say. His responses are given here in full and unedited.
If I were writing this as a news story, I'd probably hype the "review of concept" meeting he mentions on Afghanistan. But it isn't.
Best Defense: What do you think Americans aren't noticing about your Area of Responsibility right now that you think they should?
General Petraeus: Americans are, I think, up to speed on the situations in Afghanistan and Iraq and, to a lesser degree perhaps, with respect to Iran. Areas that I think have been less noticed include: Pakistani operations to combat the Pakistani Taliban (though, to be fair, they have received more attention recently); efforts by the United States and countries in the region to help Yemen deal with AQAP and a variety of political, economic, and social challenges; efforts to establish the Regional Security Architecture in the CENTCOM AOR; initiatives by U.S. forces, together with NATO, EU, and other partners to combat piracy; and the regional effort to counter Al Qaeda and other trans-national extremists.
BD: Why is the U.S. Navy leaving most of the heavy lifting with the Somali pirates to other NATO navies? Are you comfortable with that, or would you like to see the 5th Fleet doing more?
GP: See answer above, please. Actually, the 5th Fleet, together with a number of maritime coalition partners, is doing a great deal to combat piracy in coordination with NATO and EU elements, as well as with ships from other countries not part of a formal unit. Clearly, we need to publicize more of what is being done.
BD: In Afghanistan, is it time for something like a "night of the long knives" where we simply give President Karzai a list of his officials with whom we no longer will deal or fund in any form?
GP: I'll avoid that minefield; however, I would observe that situations in places like Afghanistan and Iraq are seldom as straight forward or as black and white as they sometimes appear to be in news stories. Rather, they tend to be very complex and in varying shades of gray...
BD: Or are we unable to deliver that sort of ultimatum until we have the U.S. military, State and CIA on the same page about Afghan officials?
GP: I'll go around this minefield, too. However, I will note that, as I know you recognize, unity of effort is an important component of any comprehensive, civil-military counterinsurgency campaign. And it is, needless to say, an objective sought by all the military, diplomatic, and intelligence community leaders in Afghanistan. To further achievement of that objective, Ambassador Holbrooke and I will fly together to the region in the weeks ahead to conduct a civil-military "review of concept" drill with Ambassador Eikenberry, General McChrystal and a variety of other interagency, international, and host nation partners.
BD: Who do you predict will become prime minister of Iraq?
GP: I wouldn't hazard a guess; however, I do share the hopes of the Iraqi people that their new government will be representative of, and responsive to, all the ethno-sectarian elements of the Iraqi population and also that their new government will keep the best interests of Iraq and the Iraqis foremost in all that the new government's leaders seek to do.
BD: On Iraq: My sense of what Americans are thinking about it, from my own recent speaking tour around the country, is that they regret we invaded it, are sorry they ever heard of it, but blame President Bush for the mess, and so are giving President Obama a lot of leeway to handle it as he goes forward. What is your sense?
GP: History will obviously render the ultimate verdict on Iraq. Having said that, I think the American people recognize the progress that has been made since the surge was conducted in 2007, believe that the policy adopted by President Obama is sensible, and thus support the continued execution of that policy.
BD: Speaking of President Obama, how is it different dealing with him than when he was a senator?
GP: At the risk of stating the obvious, he's the commander in chief now. Beyond that, he's still as focused and engaged as ever, he doesn't shrink from making tough calls, and he and the First Lady are genuinely concerned about our troopers and their families.
BD: Back home, I've recently noticed you appearing in Utah, New Hampshire and Florida. How come?
GP: We try to go on the road in the United States about once a month and package together a number of speaking engagements -- to universities, World Affairs Councils, think tanks, editorial boards, etc. -- as efficiently as we can in a 48-72-hour period. As you'll recall, I've always believed that folks who serve in a position such as the one I'm privileged to hold have an obligation to be accessible to the American people, to report forthrightly what America's sons and daughters are doing, and to address questions from fellow citizens. That's what we try to do.
BD: You keep on saying you are not running for president. Why do you think people seem to believe you are?
GP: Beats me. I've been as categorical as one could be.
BD: What is your favorite place to visit in your Area of Responsibility, and why?
GP: Wouldn't say there's a favorite place, Tom. We're obviously in the AOR a lot. We try to spread my visits around and to visit each country a minimum of twice a year, though obviously we visit some (e.g., Afghanistan and Pakistan) much more frequently. Beyond that, needless to say, we focus more on certain places at various times than on others, depending on the issues of the day.
BD: We do a lot of reading lists on my blog. What is one book you've read lately that you think should be better known?
GP: Bruce Catton's Grant Takes Command (and Jean Edward Smith's Grant). Both support historian Sean Wilentz' recent assertion that Grant was a truly great commander and president, vastly better than historians assessed some years back.
BD: Is there any book you are telling your staff to read?
GP: The last one I recommended was Stones into Schools. Beyond that, at present, we're focused on a number of official reports/analyses; they're keeping us occupied for the time being.
BD: Any movies you are recommending?
GP: Not much time at the movies lately, I'm afraid, but we sure did enjoy The Blind Side a couple of months ago.
Where there's smoke, someone is blowing it...
Best Defense: What do you think Americans aren't noticing about your Area of Responsibility right now that you think they should?
"General Petraeus: Americans are, I think, up to speed on the situations in Afghanistan and Iraq and, to a lesser degree perhaps, with respect to Iran."
Riiiiight.
Tom, isn't part of the CENTCOM job to direct unwanted oversight attention away from certain areas, towards preripheral issues? An interview that cooperates in that effort does raise questions in my mind.
Am I expecting too much in hoping for questions that force engagement in exactly those areas that the general points away from?
As Lincoln pointed out to Grant, winning the war would seem to be a necessary steppingstone.
Thanks Tom for your effort to squeeze something out of Petraeus. While Petraeus is the perfect model of a modern general and even throws in some folksy humility and political discretion he doesn’t seem to have anything to say. This is not peculiar to Petraeus but pretty much sums up the futility of interviewing high profile public servants. Being old enough to clearly remember interviews of Gen. Westmorland, Robert McNamara etc., the combination of evasive and confidence building statements is uncannily similar. Hopefully the ultimate results will not be.
One last thing and a small matter to many, I notice somewhere that Petraeus stated that the ‘public’ expects us (big shot brass) to wear all our medal and decorations. Really? Is there a public clamor out there that he should pose himself in the fashion of a tin pot Latin American dictator? One would expect such a turn out from the likes of a Soviet Marshal but from the highest profile military representative of the United States a democratic republic? George Washington, indeed, nearly all the founders (maybe Hamilton would be an exception) would consider this pomposity as pretentiously at odds with a free people who should not worship militarism.
...but the second question on piracy? Unless you're in the business of insuring shipping, it just doesn't get on the list. Economic issue, not military, of concern to shippers, not nations. Time to beat some other dead horse.
Kunino, that's about the funniest comment I've read for awhile.
On that, what's with suggesting we reappraise Grant's presidency? Hmmm.....
He's about as good as the GOP has right now. Half of the country will love him, as they pine for a daddy figure. About a quarter of the population will openly despise him, though a good many of those will never admit it- can't question his patriotism and what not. The rest will either not care, or just start to confuse the Pentagon and the White House.
His Generalship aside, Petraeus is a politician. Only a politician would make a comment about the American population understanding his area of operations, and keep a straight face.
Good questions and nice answers, but this blog shows that there are two or more levels of information distribution for the American public. Petraeus' acknowledgment of the moral grayness regarding politics in Iraq and Afghanistan is never part of the official message for the mass of Americans. Even under Obama, as slick as he is, they still get a basically Manichean message.
Tom Ricks has done better interviews. Mark Bowden did a much better interview with Gen. Petraeus for his magazine story.
This one is really just a series of loaded questions, mixed with direct questions no one in Petraeus's position could answer directly without complicating his mission. Who's going to be the next Iraqi Prime Minister? Is it time for a "night of the long knives" in Afghanistan (seriously unfortunate choice of metaphor there, incidentally)? Why is the Navy leaving the heavy lifting on piracy to other NATO forces? The only right answer to questions of this kind is "no comment," which is pretty much the answer Petraeus gave.
I was surprised, also, that Ricks asked no questions following up Bowden's story. There was a lot of material there. Incidentally, I believe Petraeus when he says he isn't running for President. Thinking one could do the job and wanting to submit oneself to the process of campaigning for the job are two different things; I'd be surprised if Petraeus had never done the first, but doubt he's ever been tempted to become a candidate.
I wouldn't call them loaded questions. I asked him what interested me. He answered as he saw fit. That's an interview.
Cheers,
Tom
The second question assumes that NATO navies are doing the heavy lifting in the campaign against piracy. The fourth question's premise is that several government agencies involved in the Afghanistan commitment are not "on the same page" in unspecified but evidently serious ways. Petraeus could have disputed the premise of either question in detail, or he could have blown the questions off. That he chose the second course was predictable. It's certainly what I would have done in his place.
I can see this was an interview. I'm just saying it wasn't a particularly good one.
"Don't shoot the piano player - he's doing the best he can"
It takes two to tango. Tom did his job. Petraeus waved off answering.
I'm going to put it bluntly: Petraeus talks a lot without saying anything. It might be a good trait for a soldier, but it means there's not much point in interviews.
What he definitely did say is 'you folks are pretty smart, so I don't need to do much 'splainin', and 'remember, I'm the General that bailed you out when Team W's Iraq project was going up in flames.'
I take the reference to Gen. Grant as President to be a targeted, intentionally provocative misdirect, a verbal 'demonstration' maneuver. (well played). But cleverly accurate and within GP's ability to defend and draw out. As was his claim of Iraq progress since 2007. Expensive, but satisfactory by comparison to what went before. Credit where credit's due.
GP's career demonstration of intellect, nerve and endurance in the face of friendly fire has been impressive and humbling to us mortals. But should anyone who wants Michelle's husband's job be encouraged to pursue such an ambition?
Maybe Mr. Ricks should have asked His Majesty why he and his fellow flag officers are unable to win wars? Perhaps a good question would be to ask what happened to all those AK-47´s? Another good one would be why does he have so much tin and ribbon on his costume, for a guy with no time in the line?
Our brave enlisted men and women are being led by self centered politicians wearing costumes. Never in our history have our enlisted people been so utterly betrayed.
It appears some feel the CENTCOM didn't say anything - maybe he did say something? General Petraeus stated in his interview he thought the book, "Grant Takes Command," should be better known.
The book is actually the last of three culminating in Ulysses S. Grant's maturation as the general we know, his increasing political savvy, and of course defeating Bobby Lee.
Perhaps Petraeus sees a parallel to himself with the difficulties that faced Grant, both given command at a low period during wars by presidents that settled on them where others had failed – to some extent I agree (remember, many felt Grant wasn’t up to the task and history proves otherwise).
Anyhow, I'm reasonably sure Bush thought Petraeus was his man, and also that he was Petraeus' man. Or am I thinking of Lincoln in regard to Grant? One wonders if President Obama feels the same way?
Every answer spoken like a Commander-in-Chief
Indeed! Run General, Run! Your country needs a leader who is not ashamed to be the President of the greatest country in the world.
Ha! Wait till he had to deal with Congress not wearing his costume. From the opposition he would receive little deference, no sucking up, just out and out political guerrilla warfare of a kind less lethal but more vicious than anything he would have experienced in Iraq or Afghanistan.
to aspire to be president.
Maybe, in earlier days, the issues of war and peace dominated the White House's role. Maybe, in an even earlier past, the large-scale administrative skills needed to run an army and a national government (aka Jackson, Grant, etc...) were more easily transferrable to the White House.
General Petreaus is both too well educated, and too understanding of himself and that office to believe that he would enjoy it as a retirement career.
Let's see...he could be a Senator from some state (maybe not NH), and have a great time in that rarified club, or just join a few corporate boards (defense), and live far beyond his current means, but without any hassles.
Or, after a long career with years in the intensive glare, he could try to talk his wife into joining him on a brutal and uncertain campaign trail for two years with the only downside being that if he actually gets elected they would be confined to the grueling White House demands for four or eight years. Brutal economic issues defining everything old front of him--each with a huge and nuances domestic and local constituency the like of which make tribal issues look like boy scouts.
I would be surprised if GP would make that choice at this time.
What US General since,1945, has won a war. Battles don't count.
The US military post ww2 has indeed lost every ground war its faced. The cold war victory was more of a Soviet implosion than any greatness on our part. Unfortunately, we will probably add 2 more losses thanks to GWB.
We went from getting the snot nocked out of us by Japanese pilots to nuking them in, what a few years. How long did it take from losing the Arizona to steaming a large battleship into Japan and making their political world accept ours?
I have no idea why we dont use convoys when transporting US-bound goods to the US from the middle east. Instead of leaving immediately, the ships would leave in staggered intervals accompanied by warships. I'd like to see pirates taking on a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier. There might be small shipping delays, but incidents of piracy would plummet.
Gents the hypocrisy in here is stifling. So many times we have heard (from many of you) that McChrystal or Cucolo or Odierno or indeed even Petraeus should keep their mouth shut and not say anything contrary to the current POTUS or National Command Authority.
Now here comes GP, and he gives you exactly what you wanted....sonorous platitudes. And the response is typical "he didn't say anything, he dodged the question."
My answer: be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.
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