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Congratulations to Google for doing the right thing, and also to GoDaddy.com for following suit Wednesday and declining to go along with an intrusive new Chinese law that requires turning over personal information. And shame on Microsoft and others for not having as much moral courage. It might be time to consider banishing Microsoft's search engine from your computer, little grasshoppers. And IBM is said to be developing software for China that actually will help track down people. Which side of the Great Firewall are you on, boys?

Here my thoughtful CNAS colleague Richard Fontaine summarizes the state of internet freedom of speech. His concluding warning: "The autocracies have figured out their way forward on this issue. We must do so as well." We might begin by warning American companies that there are consequences for supplying the tools of repression to autocratic regimes.

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JPWREL

12:34 PM ET

March 25, 2010

Time to inject al little

Time to inject al little realism in the debate about he responsibilities of companies in regard to US foreign policy goals. The decision for Google to withdraw from China in fact was not difficult to make since it represented no more than 1.5% of it revenues. Had it been more like 12% and growing by leaps and bounds you can be sure they would have discovered a reason to stay. Business enterprises are not in business to help this country realize its foreign policy goals they are (surprise) in business to defeat their competitors and make money. As long as they do not violate American law that it precisely what they will continue to do. This is the business system we have chosen therefore we had better get used to some of the unwanted backwash. If we had a more mercantilist system such as France, Japan and of course China that coordinate commercial and foreign policy then we would really not have the free enterprise system that we have become accustomed.

 

TYRTAIOS

2:01 PM ET

March 25, 2010

Good points. In addition,

Good points. In addition, using Harvard drop-out Bill Gates, Jr as an example, he has another issue. He is responsible for running a company that employs people - it's called jobs. To accomplish this, he understands he has to do business in China, driven not only for market share, but also in the belief that in working with the Chinese government over the long haul the company can work toward reducing the piracy of its product. Microsoft also gave China its operating system source code, oddly I'm told, because at one time China accused Microsoft of having a built in a back door program that was capable of spying on China.

 

TOM RICKS

3:13 PM ET

March 25, 2010

US govt as a purchaser

On market share: I wonder if companies would pay attention if congressional appropriators wrote into law that companies that sell the tools of repression to China repression could be disallowed to bid for US government contracts?
Best,
Tom

 

TYRTAIOS

3:59 PM ET

March 25, 2010

In for just a penny or a pound?

I note, the journalist in you brings up your concern with censorship?

However, our government would be challenged by the tech industry that the U.S. enables other industries that do business with repressive regimes, guilty of human rights violations, such as Saudi Arabia. This also includes creativeness in finding ways around embargos for sought after strategic minerals, and the all ugly arms trade by our DoD and Dept of State.

 

JPWREL

8:19 PM ET

March 25, 2010

Tom, do you really want US

Tom, do you really want US Congressmen defining what is a tool of repression? I mean really, Congressmen can’t come to grips with assorted simple issues let alone the complexities of trade. You would likely have exotic Congressional creatures from both the far left and right trying to inject assorted crackpot agendas into commercial trade policy.

 

RUBBER DUCKY

12:39 PM ET

March 25, 2010

Bill Gates...

... is the Anti-Christ.

 

JSINAIKO

12:54 PM ET

March 25, 2010

Nah - just another geeky putz

Nah - just another geeky putz with too much dough and a truncated sense of corporate responsibility.

And these days the guy to go after is Steve Balmer - he runs MS now - and is a much bigger asshole than Gates.

 

ERIC_STRATTONIII

2:08 PM ET

March 25, 2010

Bill Gates and his wife Melinda do a lot of good

Their foundation, especially once it is coupled with Buffets fortune, will go be a player in international relations soft-power and a player at home for education. The foundation does a lot of good for Third World Countries and even does a lot of good at home with regard to the education system and funding Charter Schools, although they have a tendency to go a little hippy, they do a great job and are very pro-active. Mrs. Gates was worth billions before the marriage and is a huge proponent of helping out others via the foundation. The only thing that might be problem is if after they pass away that the foundation loses sight of it's goals like so many others have by getting away from their original mission.

 

JJH722

4:05 PM ET

March 25, 2010

ehhhh..enough self-righteousness, more realism

if Google's policies are really so imbued with principle, they oughta get out of the US. now maybe i'm being a little severe, because I understand that Mr. Brin is supposedly reacting to the painful memories of a Jewish-Soviet upbringing. but i also don't like the NSA's unfettered power to hack everyone's email. Mr. Brin can take his principled stand, but the US government is in no such position to follow him. Has anybody actually looked into how potentially intrusive OUR govt's policies are, then compared them to the Chinese's? And let's remember, it was THAT type of behavior that our government condones (infiltrating email accts to isolate/investigate their political liabilities) that ticked Google off--not the selective censorship that our Secy of State is so keen on bashing. the chinese will never change a policy if we are going to be confrontational about it. "us" includes our companies. Obviously, these companies can make their own decisions, but the Chinese only change policies when it's an absolute necessity (this isn't) or when there are compelling domestic reasons for doing so. I was surprised yesterday--Tim Geithner knows his international politics better than his domestic politics. Okay...maybe that's not so surprising. But in this interview he deftly batted down a touchy question about the yuan on CNN. He impressed upon the Chinese people that their sovereignty is downgraded by an absolute reliance on the Fed's monetary policies. Think about that for a minute. He's encouraging people with a stake in China's domestic economy (e.g., Chinese companies supplying the domestic market) to shift their latent anti-Western outrage the Chinese government for its refusal to put money in the peoples' hands. He's encouraging the Chinese, rather than condemning them. He leaves that to other people in China. THIS is how you deal with the Chinese--not with condemnation and/or declarations of our own virtue. I agree with the criticism of China (in principle), and if this were a dispute with any other country I'd agree with your support for these companies and US govt. policy. But Chinese are a special case--they're too proud and too strong to be cowed by any attempts to embarrass them. I'm not saying a constructive stance is always good with Beijing--I think the Taiwan arms settlements were entirely necessary. But when POSSIBLE we should lower the temperature. The world's getting smaller, as we all know, and the bilateral relationship is so important now that it's beginning to resemble a marriage--it's almost literally a cohabitation of the planet. Just about else responds to us like a child. While they won't solve problems quickly, sensitive policies will be more conducive to Sino-American cooperation.

 

ECCENERDO

10:00 AM ET

March 26, 2010

Business Models

While I sympathize with you Tom, think about the business models. As internet companies, Google requires the trust of its users and a pretty open society in order to facilitate commerce. In contrast, Microsoft's main business is software. If Google or goDaddy can't make much money off of doing business in China because of its restrictions on free speech, its much cheaper to take a principled stance.

When your bread and butter doesn't necessarily rely on open communications, such as search and social networking, versus selling an operating system or office suite.

I hope Microsoft can push China, but I don't know if they can afford it.

 

Thomas E. Ricks covered the U.S. military for the Washington Post from 2000 through 2008.

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