Could we put together a force in Afghanistan similar to the British-organized Frontier Scouts? I wonder. It would take patience. And imagine the regular Army's reaction to this image, offered by Roe in his book on Waziristan:

The men wore loose khaki shirts outside baggy Muslim trousers and on their heads a small, tight turban wound round a skull cap. In order not to stand out from their men, 'the Scout officers ... were dressed in the same manner as their men, even to the turbans, though they carried automatics, commando knives and walking-sticks instead of rifles and bayonets.'"

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JPWREL

5:30 PM ET

March 12, 2010

As I understand it the

As I understand it the various formations organized by the British in India which could be considered Frontier ‘Scouts’ were recruited locally and officered by regular Indian or British Army officers who had long experience in the Northwest Frontier. These men were very conversant in the languages, dialects, culture, traditions and geography of the area. They could do this because India was in a sense for many of them not merely a posting but their home, particularly for British types serving in the Indian Army. One of the reasons that Indian Army service was welcomed was that officers of modest means could live sumptuously in India on very little money and were accustomed to the easy deference paid to them during the Imperial period. While I would never say we could not do the same it seems probably not likely. Firstly, and most importantly American officers are not intimately involved in the area on a long term basis thus allowing them in many respects to go local. Few if any American officers would consider a semi-permanent posting to Afghanistan as anything but a career disaster. Additionally, a factor we often forget to day in our era of instant communications is that those British officers carried much greater authority to act and make decisions locally than an American officer second guessed and hounded about the smallest detail by hyper-active headquarters of today. One of the great shortcomings of modern militaries is that officer’s roles have changed to often being little more than robots with little allowance for initiative. And God help you if you make the smallest mistake that could be a career ender. The modern micro management of the smallest operations by higher command levels that should have better things to do would cripple the effectiveness of such a force particularly in the American military which worships the god of command and control as no other.

 

TYRTAIOS

5:49 PM ET

March 12, 2010

Also, understand this -

There is one other important, and moral issue JPWREL. When America trains and kits-out indigenous groups (the ANA a different story), they become not just our surrogates but our allies and friends in some cases.

We have a history of up and leaving, for reasons normally political, and these groups end up being left adrift and find themselves the hunted and their tribe is further not just marginalized, but shredded.

Obviously, it takes much time and professional dedication by advisors that will live, eat, sleep, and fight among those groups or tribes. It takes time - time is something I don't feel we have a lot of - politically.

However, that said, if we embark on such a program, which a noted Soldier by the name of Major Jim Gant has offered forward (I like him). We need to ensure those tribes or clans, will be safe upon our departure - and depart we must at some point.

 

JPWREL

6:13 PM ET

March 12, 2010

Excellent point! The

Excellent point! The political dynamic emanating from the short term thinking American electorate is so powerful that its crippling effect would be quickly noticed thus decreasing the very effectiveness of the force. One small thing that I forgot was that British/Indian Army operations were paid for not by the Exchequer but by the colonial administration of the Raj. In fact one of the reasons why the British liked to keep a significant number of regular regiments in India was not only to deter the Russian adventurism in Afghanistan but because it was far less expensive to base them in India than in the UK. Also, in that era the politics were not as contentious as they are here today in America. The British public was used to the army’s endless campaigning, since it was just considered the normal and necessary housekeeping of the Empire.

 

STARBUCK

5:52 PM ET

March 12, 2010

Kind of like...

Would we give American troops the T.E. Lawrence treatment? If you notice, in most pictures, Lawrence wears his British Army uniform with the Arab headdress (as opposed to our popular image, where he wore all Arab robes).

On the topic of uniforms, it's sad that I know the troops in that picture are in the 25th Infantry Division based on their orange reflector belts...

 

LITTLEMANTATE

8:15 PM ET

March 12, 2010

Familiarity breeds contempt

What Ricks is ignoring is the larger issue of how the British governed South Asia. The enforced social distance was both a source of weakness and strength for the British. Recall Ricks said that the young men sent to the frontier were well educated, the best and the brightest. The problem is the US Army is far larger and more cumbersome and filled with lots of Americans, some of whom are the best and the brightest, some of whom are flotsom and jetsom recruited outside a Walmart. The Brits made a policy of not allowing "regular" Englishmen come to India. So with the exception of a few soldiers, there weren't 't a bunch of working class types sauntering around Lahore.

In some regards we resemble the Russians more in our approach to overseas operations. And, just as Curzon noted regarding the Russians, this is a strength for us. There is less of a social distance and more familiarity. We are seen as less snotty than the British, and from what I heard Pashtuns don't like English people (makes you wonder what genius assigned them to the area around Marwand) But, as the Russians found out, familiarity breeds contempt. I would also add that world that Ricks speaks of is over. Those places are still way out of touch with the modern world, but still. Paul Theroux noted back in the 1970s that the very worst thing that could happen for Western image in Afghanistan and Pakistan in the 1970s was the arrival of the hippies. It was a case of familiarity bred contempt. I wonder to what extent knowledge or myths about Western decadence play out in Afghanistan? To what extent has Brittney Spears undermined the effort? In a society based on honor, you can't really respect a man who comes from a place where girls put out on the first date. That's why Russians are viewed with such contempt in many countries. I've not been to Afghanistan, but I've traveled in the Middle East and spoken with plenty of Afghan expats, and I kind of independently came to the same conclusion as Theroux. I'm not saying its right. I'm just saying that the kind of snobbish pruddery (indeed bigoted) required for what Ricks writes about is not to be found in the US these days. That's a good thing for society in general, but, yeah.....

 

TYRTAIOS

2:52 PM ET

March 13, 2010

Your response, and in

Your response, and in particular, your statement, "In some regards we resemble the Russians more in our approach to overseas operations caught my eyeball, and I thought I might make some simple comparisons.

The Soviet's Limited Contingent as it was called, spent very scant time among the population in the countryside, and certainly none in the more rural areas. The Soviet's fixation was with securing the major cities and keeping their lines-of-communication open.

When the Soviets found their adventure was bogged-down and their handle on the situation was going south, only then did they introduce themselves in a pop-centric fashion - unfortunately that was through a systematic aerial and ground terror campaign, and forced relocation of villages.

It is also true that originally the Soviets tried getting their Afghan Army counterparts out front which of course didn't work, as we have found. It might also be worth noting that when modeling the Afghan Army, the Soviets had limited experience in those endeavors, and in addition, they created devisive factions within so no one Afghan commander would pose any significant threat of a coup toward the Kabul regime.

Having said the foregoing, I'll admit an area we "had" in common back in 2002 with the old Soviets (or Russians) was the fact that our initial entry into Afghansitan was fast and well executed, but mission creep and trying to hold a country on the cheap with no thought toward toward Afghanistan's unique geo-political and cultural/religious phenom as it relates to counter-insurgency or COIN was (not is anymore) about the same, and our idea of building from top down, instead of bottom-up strikes me similair.

Interestingly, considering Russia's history and geographic proxmity to Afghanistan, one would have thought they'd have had a better grip, but than, the U.S. doesn't seem to have a grip on Mexico either? : )

 

LITTLEMANTATE

7:43 PM ET

March 13, 2010

I should have clarified

You were quite right to point out the Soviet experience in Afghanistan. But I was referring to Tsarist Era Russia. I realize now I didn't make that distinction. If you are interested, Curzon's book "Russia in Central Asia" is on Google books. It's a worthwhile read for this topic. For what it's worth, Curzon is a little too generous to the Russians. But he was in a good position to judge both the Brits and the Russians.
For all their faults and failures in the 20th century as Soviets, and the ongoing human tragedy that is the Caucasus (people forget the Georgians practically begged the Russians to protect them from the Ottomans and the Persians) we forget the largely successful experience of the Tsarist Army in the 19th Century, particularly in the area of the 'stans. And, ultimately, the Russians left the 'stans of their own accord, they weren't chased out.

I understand that the Tsarist era Russians weren't dealing with Pashtuns, but many of the ethnic groups they ruled over can be found in the North and West of Afghanistan, and they were dealing with a fairly sensitive area, in terms of Muslim sensibilities. Bukhara had been an Islamic religious center for over 1,000 years. And, realizing this, the Tsarist powers didn't touch it with a 10-foot pole. They let the emir and the mullahs have the run of the place, content to practice a loose suzreignity over the Bukharan emirate. They did, however, destroy the khanate of Khiva in the West, and did a number on the Turkmen. But that was payback for centuries of steppe slave raids on the Slavs (pun intended, slave comes from the word Slav), it was also pretty mortifying for a would-be member of the Western club to have so many of its subjects as slaves in Khiva.
But, back to the Tsarist experience. They also conquered the Eastern part of what is now Uzbekistan, the khanate of Koqand, which they ruled directly. And they ruled it so well they experienced migration from areas ruled directly by the Emir of Bukhara and from Iran. Goes to show that Muslims would tolerate the control of non-Muslim powers if they were governed moderately well- not overly taxed, and left to the everyday issues on their own.
You mentioned Jim Gant earlier; the Russians had a similar experience to one he mentions, namely property disputes. And back then, just as with Major Gant, the party siddling up to the colonial force had "documents" proving their claims to the land. In fact, some of these documents were such sophisticated forgeries that they were revealed to be forgeries until the 1950s by scholars. Unlike Gant, however, the Tsarist era officials didn't touch those issues with a ten-foot pole. They said take it up with a qadi (Islamic judge) and avoided getting dragged into local feuds.
Now the Soviets, on the other hand, were a much different creature. They had an ideology. I should also add the Soviets did reform gender relations in Central Asia. They destroyed the burka, but used methods I don't think we would resort to. Enough written on this, it's an extremely complicated topic, and I haven't done it the justice it deserves.

 

ALEX MARSHALL

10:04 PM ET

March 14, 2010

Imperial Nostalgia

This endless romantic fascination with what the Brits did is very odd. Colonialism and European imperialism was an unmitigated disaster in human history. Anybody who thinks modern state building models are messed up only needs to look at any of the major European colonial empires to find something a million times worse. The main lesson from the British attempt to dominate the Pashtun tribal belt was the destructiveness and ultimate futility of their methods. They explored the full range of realistic options available at the time and got nowhere. Thus, they swung endlessly between hands-on engagement (road building, hospitals, free medicine, bribery) and containment/butcher and bolt tactics (raids, strafing, forts, barbed wire and aerial bombardment with petroleum shells)-the modern COIN vs Counter-Terrorism debate (drones vs. boots on the ground) debate in microcosm in fact. The overarching lesson was that stability never came close to being achieved, whilst imperialism as a broader phenomenon, via its corruption and rampant inequality, led directly to the broader great power competition that spawned the catastrophe of the First World War. Why would anyone rationally choose that era as a useful and productive starting point?

 

Thomas E. Ricks covered the U.S. military for the Washington Post from 2000 through 2008.

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