Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 7:29 AM

I thought I was a pessimist about Iraq until I read this comment by a U.S. military official in today's Washington Post:
All we're doing is setting the clock back to 2005. ... The militias are fully armed, and al-Qaeda in Iraq is trying to move back from the west. These are the conditions now, and we're sitting back looking at PowerPoint slides and whitewashing."
Ugh. I think 2005 was my least favorite year of the war Iraq, when things were falling apart and the American officials were insisting that they weren't. 2006 was bloodier but at least by the end of the year, it was clear that something had to change.
The official's comment in the Post reminds me of when, a few months ago, a top American expert in Iraqi affairs took me aside to warn me that I was dangerously optimistic. I asked him if he misspoke and mean that I was too pessimistic about the prospects for Iraq. "No," he said, shaking his head. "You are too optimistic. You think a civil war in Iraq is avoidable. It is not. It is inevitable."
Meanwhile, General Odierno is calling out Chalabi and others as tools of Iran. Good for him.
Someone please tell me why Chalabi should not have contact with the Iranian’s considering the fact that Iran is not going anywhere but the Americans are leaving? Perhaps what Odierno is complaining about is that Chalabi (and others) while thinking about the future have chosen to become tools of the nest door co-religionist Iranians rather than choosing to be tools of the fast departing Americans?
Ah yes, Ahmed Chalabi. You have to hand it to this world class con-man. I'm sure Tehran knows exactly who they're dealing with - too bad the Bush administration didn't, and also too bad he hasn't taken a tumble down a well head first, on an evening stroll - opps, just thinking out loud.
I wonder if this recent statement by General Odierno, aka, Daddy Warbucks, is based on recent intelligence that has caused the good General to have an epipheny about Chalabi?
Surely, being a former artillery officer (they were always the smart ones in my day) he must have known to get in with the DoD crowd under Wolfowitiz, aka, the jugg eared kid, big Ray knew Chalabi had done a cheer-leading act for Israel? The point is, Chalabi is no tool for anyone but himself. The key here is: what will be his payoff from Iran?
Too bad Harold Robbins croaked, he'd have written a book about Chalabi - I wonder how Robbins would have portrayed General Odierno in my hypothesized book as well as a certain journalist that keeps turning-up in Baghdad? : }
You and your logic!! Stop it! ;) I am hoping it does not go that way but I think no matter what happens we will still have sphere of influence here, how much will depend on what they do with Iran and what we do with Iran I think.
I have no idea yet, will have to ask me again in 20 years.
...did this venture into Iraq seem sensible? Mind-boggling stupid beginning, muddled middle - we should expect a good ending?
Life's Rule: If it feels bad, quit doing it.
Life's Fallacy: When one makes a hopeless investment, one sometimes reasons: I can’t stop now, otherwise what I’ve invested so far will be lost. This is true, of course, but irrelevant to whether one should continue to invest in the project. Everything one has invested is lost regardless. If there is no hope for success in the future from the investment, then the fact that one has already lost a bundle should lead one to the conclusion that the rational thing to do is to withdraw from the project. (from the Skeptics Dictionary)
Congress and the public are unaware since the media keeps writing about the "successful surge" in Iraq. Could Mr. Ricks contact those people and tell them not to mislead people because if now looks like the surge was a farce?
In the 8 months of 'surge' counteroffensive, before Sunni, Badr's and JAM accepted stalemate, we suffered a thousand KIA's, 10x that number in casualties, about double our casualty rate in late 2006. I assume we inflicted some multiple of our casualties on our enemy-cum-allies. And together, we shot or shredded more multiples of collatoral victims of urban/suburban warfare, instead of the lethal 'ethnic cleansing' build toward regional war that would have continued.
However, 18 or 24 months after our 2006 election, we and the Iraqis were ahead on the butchers bill- by late 2005 or 2006 metrics. And wonder of wonders, lame duck Baghdad and Washington admins were able to negotiate a phased withdrawal plan that both (and Iran) found politically palatable, if only barely, and not entirely sincerely. For that, and the fact that the window of opportunity to disengage is still open (again), we should count ourselves fortunate.
By my estimate, iraqis have been killing each other in significant numbers, or at war with other countries, for much of the last 30 years. Predicting more civil war and foreign meddling in Iraq is like predicting a riot the next time Detroit takes a sports championship. (Come to think of it, Iraqis seem to gravitate to Detroit, with some nice Chaldean gents selling liquor here in San Diego.)
I'm inclined to let them have at it if they must, buy their oil when it's offered, and send aid during the occasional truces. If that is scary to us, think how it looks to Iraq's regional neighbors.
What happens if attacks and casualties don't go up in the run-up to the March election or afterward? What if the affect of all the anti-Baathist hysteria going on right now is voter turnout goes down? What happens if after the elections the parties take months to put together a government just like last time, and it ends up looking pretty much like the current government with the large Kurdish and Shiite parties in control? What happens if the Baathist hype then ends? Will the alarm calls about an impending civil war continue?
The political rhetoric right now is a return to 2005. The two main Shiite parties don't have much to run on so they've jumped on this Baathist bandwagon. Otherwise it's not like 2005. Attacks and deaths have hit a plateua since Jan. 09. Sadr's militia is basically inactive, the Iranian-backed Special Groups only carry out 4-5 attacks a month. The insurgency is pretty much reduced to hit and run and terrorist attacks. In comparison, in 2005 deaths and attacks were going up up up, and the insurgents and militias were still strong and growing. Sorry, but I don't see a civil war coming. I just see more of the same with poverty, corruption, a bloated state-run economy, a dysunfctional government, and Iraqis becoming disillusioned with what's transpired.
JWING, your scenario sounds very plausible and probably likely. So let me ask you is this condition worth the lives of 4,694 coalition troops?
that there was a anti-Iraq war candidate that could have won in 2004. He or she would have pulled out in 2005 and might have transferred more troops to Afghanistan, perhaps even while withdrawing political support from Karzai. (okay, it's a pipe dream, but at least I'm not dreaming about a pacifist president!). What a better position we'd currently find ourselves in, including financially.
After seeing you speak at the Harvard Bookstore, I did a double take when somebody called you optimistic about Iraq.
but we already won! get prepared for them to blame obama
is that the logic behind maliki abject pandering to iran--that he might as well take the allies that he can rely on for future sectarian conflict? ahmed chalabi makes me physically nauseous. the fact that this man was connected at the top levels of our government is probably the most devastating single indictment of the former administration. unfortunately, he and maliki are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. either way, joe biden looks like an absolute idiot. he might want to consider that his iraq brief will not diminish in importance just because the american people, in their characteristic schizophrenia, seem to have temporarily lost interest. it's the middle east, joe. the only thing we can hope for is to get the hell out before it falls to the iranians to hold the sword of damocles over our heads. it boggles the mind how the people who created this mess (including biden--i love how democrats totally disassociate themselves from this debacle by falling back on their criticism from 2005-2008: In his infinite wisdom Joe proposed to divvy up Iraq--somehow that's supposed to absolve him) are the same ones who forget about the precarious situations we are bogged down in on both of Iran's borders.
I agree. Is Joe still doing a penance kind of thing, because of the 'clean' comment? He should wipe off his forehead, or use heavy makeup for the pics. Who does he think he is, Gorbechev? And wouldn't Obama's ears look smaller, if he let his hair out a bit?
in response to a previous comment, it really does look like the iranians get more out of chalabi than we ever did. what gives?
From Nibras Kazimi of Talisman Gate/Hudson Institute
This is from Kazimi's blog Talisman Gate. He's in Iraq right now.
"Although there is general anxiety, no one believes that sectarian tensions would get out of hand. Experienced hands don’t see a return to violence on any significant scale, not withstanding what a few frazzled and perennially mistaken Western journalists are writing these days."
Nothing much is going on and things are pretty mellow as we get closer to the elections. There are concerns that as the election draws near that selective targets will be hit but that is it for right now. It is either the calm before the storm or how things will continue.
Coming from Kazimi whose writing - in common with many an exile - I have always found to be sectarian
I don't see a renewed round of sectarian genocide on the horizon.
Maybe I am being too optimistic.
The Sunnis are going to put up and shut up, just like the Shia did under the previous regime(s).
The one thing Iraq does have now that it did not have in 2005/2006 is a sizable security apparatus.
We can all make endless ISF jokes and swap anecdotes of their hilarious ineptitude - but the ISF of 2010 is not the ISF of 2005.
Isn't there are least one major difference between 2005 and today? That is, the ISF and Iraqi Police are better equipped and prepared to counter an insurgency? Of course, they are not as well equipped as 160,000 US troops, who will be gone, but then again the militias and insurgents can't possibly be as well positioned as they were then, right? After all, the militia composition is quite different also, I believe.
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