Query: Reader "Walter Scott" of New York City writes to inquire why I am not all hot to trot to discuss the new Quadrennial Defense Review, in which the office of the secretary of Defense tells they armed forces how they gots to change to adapt to the onrushing future.

Answer: Because why? Because after covering this stuff for years for newspapers, I came to believe that these reviews rarely make much difference. The civilians propose, the services dispose -- usually by ignoring it, waiting it out, or saying they can only make the changes if you give them a few billion dollars. In fact sometimes I wonder if the QDR was cleverly invented to keep the civilians busy so they don't distract the service staffs. (My apologies to civilian friends of my at the Pentagon who have ruined their lives working on this thing for the last year. As my mother would say, "It's a racket!")

Bonus gays in the military answer: While I am on it, I think that lifting the ban on being openly gay in the military will actually be easier than people think. Ten years from now we'll look back and wonder what the fuss was about. We have a very professional military that is at war. They can handle it. (Note to readers: When you read objections to lifting the ban, note the age of the writer. I wouldn't worry much about anyone who left the military before 1990.)

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TYRTAIOS

4:13 PM ET

February 3, 2010

The Sacred Band

On gays in the military, I'm amused by your caveat on not worring about opinions for those that left the military before 1990! Since I was called back to active duty during the First Gulf War, I'll comment. : )

I think change is due. However, I would further say in allowing anyone that is qualified, regardless of sexual orientation to serve openly, let's do it because it is the right thing to do, and because we know it will serve to increase military readiness, not because a certain sector on the outside, wants to use it as a social experiment for American society at large.

Touring the battlefield of Chaeronea in 338 BC and being told who the dead in front of him were, Plutarch records the words of Philip II of Macedon, "lying all where they had faced the long spears of his phalanx, with their armor, and mingled one with another, he was amazed, and on learning that this was the band of lovers and beloved, he shed tears and said, 'Perish any man who suspects that these men either did or suffered anything unseemly.'" - the Sacred Band

I think I'll go away for awhile; keep your blog going - it's great!

 

STARBUCK

4:19 PM ET

February 3, 2010

Look at it this way...

If I had to choose between having two dudes in my company hooking up or a guy and a chick in my company hooking up, I'd choose the former. At least gay people don't get pregnant.

 

CMEYERGO

4:22 PM ET

February 3, 2010

Serve "openly"

First, I agree, the QDR is worthless. It is used to justify current plans. Only if the SecDef gets behind a change can it work. Gates is known for keeping the status quo and demanding more money, so he is popular and respected in the Pentagon.

And this from G2mil last year.

"President Obama's desire to allow homosexuals to serve "openly" is far more complex than most realize. Will lovers be allowed to kiss and hold hands while in uniform? Will state approved same-sex marriages be recognized for housing and benefits? Will cross-dressers be allowed to choose their uniforms? Will transsexuals be allowed to dress as they want and use women's restrooms? Since women are allowed to wear make-up, earrings, and long hair, will feminine men be allowed that "right"?"

 

JPWREL

5:30 PM ET

February 3, 2010

While agreeing with he notice

While agreeing with he notice that the QDR is pretty irrelevant I think you are being too harsh on Gates. The Pentagon needed a taskmaster like Gates who has a refreshing habit of demanding accountability and a record of firing the boobs who don’t measure up. No Sec. of Defense is perfect but Gates record in my view rests pretty far to the right on the bell curve of Defense Secretaries.

As far as gays in the military goes again in my view that change is long overdue and the problems you mention such as cross-dressing is easily addressed by regulations, however, I do have some concerns. My contact with the military is primarily though my son who is an active Navy Seal officer and his fellow SEAL’s whom I have gotten to know very well. Most of these guys are quite tolerant of gays in civilian life but opening the closet so to speak in their small slice of the Navy is a whole other matter. One would think just by the odds their must be some gay Navy SEAL’s but if there are a few they must be in the deepest recess of the closet given the type of personalities that inhabit the Tier 1& 2 special op’s community.

 

SOLDIERSDIARY

8:47 PM ET

February 3, 2010

army regs

As far as I know in the discussion on allowing them to openly serve there is no mention to changing AR 670-1 or other service regs on wear and appearance of the uniform. So your questions are just not relevant; I am guessing your next question is wheather or not the next step after allowing them to marry is if they will be allowed to marry their pets.
Say hello to Hannity and Palin for us.

 

IRONCAPT

4:40 PM ET

February 3, 2010

Random Pop Culture Reference

Perhaps we could describe the QDR as the military's jargon laden equivalent of the Chewbacca Defense from South Park. "Look at the monkey! Look at the crazy monkey!"

 

STROMHAWK60

5:37 PM ET

February 3, 2010

the door opens on the Adultery article...

Many who do oppose lifting the ban on homosexual service do so on moral grounds. That is their personal choice and it happens to be one that I agree with.

The current ban was historically based on this moral argument and its detrimental effect on good order and discipline if not adhered to.

So my point is, once we move down this path of "accepting" conduct previously deemed immoral, aren't we impelled to consider lifting the article regarding another morally based restriction which is the one on adultery??? What effect will that have on good order and discipline?

For those that may argue that society's views on moral matters are changing, I'd certainly agree that there may be changes (which I believe are overstated) but I'd respond by looking at TYRTAIOS's comment that we do it because we know it will "increase military readiness...not because a certain sector on the outside, wants to use it as a social experiment for American society at large."

I do not believe lifting he ban will have readiness benefits.

 

THATGUY101

7:20 PM ET

February 3, 2010

Seriously....

So if I understand you correctly, it is your fear that by allowing homosexuals to serve openly we lose our ability to forbid any behavior, because the homosexuality issue is the keystone to our moral foundation? We already fail to prosecute or address most adultery issues unless there is overwhelming evidence (and it spills into the work environment) that allows us to add it as a tack on charge to something else. I think the adultery issue has a greater impact on the morale issue than the gay issue. I would guess the average soldier has more fear of the rear D guy keeping his bed warm for him while he is down range, than his wife has of his homosexual squad mate turning him gay in the desert. I was also told by an Area Defense Council that he spends a great deal of time investigating issues of "homosexuality" around the Gulf Area, because some enlisted girls are caught making out with other girls to the cheers of a bunch of drunken frat boys, technically homosexual activity but actually an effort for attention. We ALREADY know most of the gay ones and if they do their job everyone looks the other way.

 

RUBBER DUCKY

7:08 PM ET

February 3, 2010

QDR test & Gays (2 topics)

The test for the QDR is the budget that accompanies it and the POM that flows out the next year. If there's a match (hell, a rough correspondence) and if these three documents show an inflection from previous years, the QDR has done something. If (as with the last couple), the QDR says one thing but the defense budget and following POMs ignore, then yes, your cynicism is warranted. So, on this QDR: TBD.

Note the role of the POM: year in, year out, it is the most strategic document the military produces. All else is moonshine.

On gays, I think beat poet Allen Ginsberg showed the right spirit in his poem "America." His last line: "America I'm putting my queer shoulder to the wheel."
We should let anyone who wants to do so .... do so.

 

CMEYERGO

7:40 PM ET

February 3, 2010

The nation is going bankrupt

So why no outrage that defense spending is not cut, much less frozen. Obama makes a big deal that freezing non-defense discretionary wills save $250 billion over ten years, but the planned increases in military spending will cost $500 billion over ten years. Do we really need more funds each year to fight a few hundred terrorists than we spent to counter the Soviet Union?

What about this year's 3.2% pay raise while civilian wages have fallen and inflation is flat. New recruits earn over $38,000 a year, almost twice a much as comparable civilians.

Let me see Gates cut the military budget, then I'll be impressed. Right now he "bravely" manages who gets the increases.

 

SAINTSIMON

12:42 PM ET

February 4, 2010

Like most commentators you

Like most commentators you miss the point about gays in the military - the potential problem is not about gays in the military per se but rather about political activism in the gay rights movement that may be motivated to force an agenda on the military that doesn't belong or is out of sync with needs - the military is about winning wars not promoting marginal political causes. Think of it in terms of feminism - if feminism was still a potent political force zealous feminists could stir up trouble over certain aspects regarding the role women are allowed to play in the military today - well, gay rights is a potent political force and if problems arise that's where the trouble will come from. For example, male bonding among soldiers adheres to a ritualized form that the average citizen would probably find distasteful and inappropriate - what happens when the politically correct decide they have to meddle in this very important bonding ritual? Anyone who's served knows exactly what I'm talking about.

As for the QDR - it can be something of a Kabuki dance but Gates is attempting a transformation that could be viewed as radical and some in the service definitely see as misplaced - even though the QDR doesn't do a particularly coherent job of addressing the world according to Gates, that in itself is a reason for comment. and so I don't buy your excuse.

 

SLINKYSIX

4:25 PM ET

February 4, 2010

Bingo.

SaintSimon pretty much hits the nail on the head. As a serving Army Officer, I can attest that most of my peers would prefer a smart, athletic and capable gay Soldier to some of the fat, lazy and borderline useless ones (which, let's face it, manage to show up in every unit).

Where you encounter the real resistance, especially in Maneuver branches like the Infantry or Armor, is the forced political correctness and change within their institution. Mandatory "homosexual awareness" certifications, new sexual harassment standards, and all the politically correct jazz that comes with it is what irks the Soldier. It's why most Infantrymen loathe being around units with female service members. It's certainly not because they think less of their female counterparts, but more because they loathe having to censor themselves and tread lightly at all time for fear of offending someone's delicate sensibilities.

Right or wrong (though I personally believe it to be right), they are joining OUR world. Let them. However, I don't think the military should then have to go out of the way to pull out the red carpet and make them feel extra welcome. You want to fight? By all means. Just grow thick enough skin to deal with a little crude and inappropriate language.

 

THIRDWATCH

8:24 PM ET

February 7, 2010

A question of degree

The problem for officer ranks is whether they are going to haze someone based on their gayness. That's just fine a point, then it gets out of hand.

 

THIRDWATCH

8:28 PM ET

February 7, 2010

no censorship, please

It's going to depend a lot on the individual.

The last thing a lot of people want is for people to censor. Bonding on gay put-downs, etc.? I don't give a shit. Keep it real. Let's hear it. That's my opinion. But, it IS possible to know when it turns from fun to real exclusion, from jostling and bonding, to power, exclusion, domination.

If you've got a 140lb radio specialist who's kinda geeky and reserved. Maybe that's not the guy who's going to that a shitload of ribbing...

As with everything, you have to think before you speak, maybe.

 

THIRDWATCH

1:06 PM ET

February 8, 2010

Maybe we're all wrong

Most gay guys want to be in the fight, in one way or another. They want to bond. It's quite possible that it will continue to be the case that most units won't know who their gay members are until the gay guys know that they are trusted within the unit. They are still guys afterall (many probably just as ribald).

Maybe we're all wrong to think about this as patterned after female integration.

And as a general approach, rather than send everyone to "political PC school", it might be wiser and more cost effective to send gay soldiers to "harassment training", so they learn how to diffuse situations and deal with the remaining bigots effectively. That way, they can communicate to their COs in a few "program" words what is going on and the CO know right away the basic outlines of the problem and what's likely next in the "program".

 

FIGHT BACK

10:42 PM ET

February 22, 2010

Bingo again

In my humble opinion, there is no need to change existing male bonding rituals, which will continue to evolve with newer generations. I think there is a need to push back against the kind of bureaucratic, CYA sensitivity training that interest groups like to push. I was embedded with MNF-I HQ in Iraq for over a year, ending OCT 2009, and nobody had any time for nonsense, except for the U.S. Embassy female sexually harassing ME!

 

GROUNDPOUNDER

10:08 PM ET

February 4, 2010

Homosexuals Best Left to the Navy and Air Force

I personally think that homosexuals should be allowed to serve in the U.S. Navy and Air Force! They'll fit right in with and have a "gay" old time! Call me old school, but what's "gay" about one man shoving his penis up another man's anus?

 

Thomas E. Ricks covered the U.S. military for the Washington Post from 2000 through 2008.

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