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Here a report from my new CNAS colleague Patrick Cronin, who not only is a smart guy but also very tolerant of the loud music he can hear through the wall separating his office from mine.

By Patrick Cronin

Best Defense Senior Iranian Affairs Correspondent

A high-powered group of Iranian watchers gathered all day Tuesday at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy for an invitation-only not-for-attribution colloquium titled, "The Perfect Handshake with Iran? Prudent Military Strategy and Pragmatic Engagement Policy." 

Workshop co-sponsors were represented by Lt. Gen. John R. Allen, USMC, Deputy Commander of United States Central Command, and Col. Edmund K. Daley, III, USA, Director of the Army Directed Studies Office. Amongst the speakers were former Under Secretary of Defense Eric Edelman, former IAEA Deputy Director General Bruno Pellaud, Farideh Farhi of the University of Hawaii, former University of Glasgow professor Reza Taghizadeh, former Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. Sallai Meridor, Houchang Hassan Yari formerly at Tehran's Shahid Beheshti University, and others.

First, the center of the action is within Iran itself rather than in Washington or in Vienna.   Iran remains a divided society and government, dangerously deadlocked between hardliners who wish to use the security forces to oppress the democratic opposition, and the Green movement which expanded after the contested June election and has refused to wither despite facing immense coercion. In this explosive domestic environment, there is no room to consider the question of engagement with the United States -- save as a political football. Indeed, some experts view any overt intervention to support the Green movement would only feed the Supreme Leader's paranoia that the movement is externally driven. The diminishing inner circle is ready to call for additional measures of oppression.  Meanwhile, the Iranian Revolution Guard Corps, which originally developed around a perceived just cause, is increasingly caught up in perpetuating an ever more illegitimate government.

Second, the threat of military force has lost the saliency it may have had in 2003. Whereas the threat of Israeli or U.S. military strikes once induced some fear on the part of Iran's leadership, several years of unfulfilled taunts and the new U.S. administration's policy of engagement have pulled the teeth from that threat. The United States has not proven adept at moving on two tracks of diplomatic engagement, on the one hand, and coercive diplomacy, on the other hand.  Iran's current leadership thinks a military strike is improbable; some hardliners may wish to provoke a strike precisely because it would further consolidate their political power at a time of internal turmoil. At the societal level, one expert suggested that military half measures would anger the population; however, a strike that led to a regime change would be likely to accepted and quickly forgotten.

Third, sanctions have simply not persuaded Iranian leaders that the consequences of pursuing their nuclear ambitions will be severe. Thus, sanctions may well impose additional cost on Iran's nuclear program, they are highly unlikely to change the calculus of decision-makers with respect to the nuclear program. The weight of the diplomatic pressure accumulated under the banner of the international community has left Tehran unimpressed, and it is highly dubious that the likelihood of some further sanctions by early February will alter that sense. The fact that Russia and China neither place an equal priority on nuclear proliferation nor are willing to forsake prospective commercial and energy ties dictates inherent limits of international sanctions. Moreover, the United States and the European Union (the latter of which is the number one trader with Iran, followed by China and Japan) have been unwilling to target crippling sanctions on key individuals, entities (especially the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, which controls up to one-third of Iran's economy), or sectors (especially high-technology and energy).  

Fourth, engagement has its uses, although the present moment makes engagement especially difficult. Iran's present regime wants to buy time and divide the international community, keeping the nuclear file out of becoming referred to the United Nations Security Council under Chapter VII of the UN Charter. In the medium term, Iran's leaders may wish mostly to bust out of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, with a long-term aim of being treated like India-a major power with a nuclear program. 

Fifth and finally, U.S. policy may well be focused on buying time-time for the further erosion of legitimacy of Supreme Leader Khamenei and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to bring about a change in government. Even so, politics in Iran will persist, and every major policy will be played within the domestic context of a struggle between these two camps to mobilize people around their narratives and policies. At best a Green government might be able to make the case for a freeze (not a complete end to a nuclear program), but it would surely continue to assert Iran's right to nuclear power.  

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NORWEGIAN SHOOTER

5:58 PM ET

January 13, 2010

wow, our "debate" on Iran is skewed

Overall, this item is better than other crap that passes as serious ideas, but still, there are some doozies even here:

[H]owever, a strike that led to a regime change would be likely to accepted and quickly forgotten.

WTF! Describe to me a strike that even could lead to a regime change?

At best a Green government might be able to make the case for a freeze

Ignoring the idiocy of "a Green government," has anyone in the Green movement said they would even consider a nuclear freeze if they had their way? No! If Mousavi had won the election, Iran's nuclear policy would be exactly the same. Threatening with a nuclear weapons program is the only way that Iran has a chance at being allowed to exercise their right to nuclear power. I dare you to find any public figure within Iran that isn't behind the regime with regard to nuclear policy. The most they will say is that they are sometimes embarrassed by Ahmadinejad's rhetoric.

For realistic commentary on Iran, check out Daniel Larison at his blog.

 

GRANT

9:09 PM ET

January 13, 2010

I'll agree with you on the

I'll agree with you on the 'strike' matter. If we launched a 'strike' it would have to be a full scale invasion to effect a regime change, and it would not be forgotten. Also, I think the writer has forgotten that there isn't any nation with both the will and means to invade Iran and forcibly change the government.
Of the three that politically speaking could (China, Russia, and the U.S) none want to. Russia seems more interested in seeking Iran as an ally, fighting insurgencies in the south, and avoiding a disastrous war. China's military has not seen real action in over thirty years, it is also seeking Iran as an ally, and probably wants to avoid having to deal with militant Islam. The U.S is currently trying to convince Iran to not build a nuclear armament, is engaged in two counterinsurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan, and will take time to refresh it's resources from these two wars.
There are of course other nations that probably have the military might to do it, possibly France or an Arab alliance, but those are just as unlikely to want to do it. In essence, the suggestion of a strike is pointless.
On a 'Green government' I agree and disagree in equal measure. To start I doubt that these 'watchers' could give a good explanation of what that even means. The best would be to say that it is a government led by Mousavi, but I wonder if they know which political party is which. I personally feel that they could very well agree to some kind of freeze in building nuclear plants and the like, though I doubt that they could convince the Iranian people to accept giving up the plants already built without massive concessions from the West.

 

NORWEGIAN SHOOTER

11:07 PM ET

January 13, 2010

Thanks Grant

"I doubt that these 'watchers' could give a good explanation of what that even means" is exactly what I meant. Iran is very unique among nations - a constitutional state that brutally suppresses dissent. If Mousavi or anyone else would argue for a change to the current regime outside of the constitution, they would be branded counter-revolutionaries and arrested or worse. Some-where I saw a suggestion that the Green movement is better seen as a civil-rights movement. Count our votes, a free press, free assembly, etc.

For another good Iran source, the Leveretts' Race for Iran is great.

 

COURTNEYME109

6:08 PM ET

January 14, 2010

"a strike that led to a regime change"

Should probably read as a regime killing regime change. Launch a massive blitz on the top 20% of Iran's ruling clerics, Revo Guard fanboys and perhaps Beseeji HQ's using cruise and conventional missiles, attack aircraft and old school especial ops.

While Preacher Command has some redundancy in their command and control posts, these are actually quite few in number as are the few calling the shots.

 

GRANT

1:27 AM ET

January 15, 2010

Despite hype, numbers show

Despite hype, numbers show that strikes are nowhere near as precise as the name would imply. Besides that simple problem there are a others. To start you're suggesting murder. It's one thing to target military installations or power plants, there would be outcry and diplomatic chaos from that but it has been done before. It's quite another to suggest killing "20% of Iran's ruling clerics", which, depending on your definition of 'ruling', could number well into the thousands, not to mention bureaucrats, officers, and other figures in authority positions . Then there's the outside world. Other nations tend to look poorly on the killing of large amounts of a government, and they show that displeasure. If you look back six years or sixty five years you'll notice that not that many officials were killed in Iraq or Germany respectively.

Then there's feasibility. It's not as though the Iranian leadership are all in one place, or that they wouldn't see it coming. You can't really hide preparations for attacks that large, you need to move a large number of soldiers, fighters, ships, and materials from where they are and don't doubt that the Iranians would notice. Stealth fighters and certain types of submarines might evade detection, but there aren't enough to carry out the kind of attacks you're suggesting, not unless you want to go nuclear.
The above statement assumes that the U.S would be permitted to even do this. To attack Iran by air or sea I can't see how the U.S could do so without going through another nation's territory, something they would refuse permission for without hesitation. Of course that doesn't mean that the U.S couldn't do it anyway, but doing so destroys the idea that those governments can have sovereignty over their own territories. That might sound unimportant, but the basis for the entire nation-state system understands that a nation controls the air, land, and waters that surround it. You don't violate that understanding casually.

 

COURTNEYME109

3:17 PM ET

January 15, 2010

Iran le Choix des Armes

Grant, ISS' François Heisbourg's "Iran: le choix des armes" (unavailable in English - yet - an audacious tease here) spells out exactly a regime killing regime change. Iran's top leadership has gathered three times in the last 10 months at the same time - something they never did during 43's trip.

The Air Force's project Checkmate seems to geared for exactly that scenario -
instead of trashing infrastructure and communications - it plans to co opt them.

As Heisbourg predicts:

"Within 5 days, Iran is reduced to a state of near paralysis, unable in any sense
to retaliate militarily, its entire economic infrastructure in shambles."

Kenneth Timmerman also has been extolling the virtues of a 'decapitation strike'
specifically on Iran.

"Iranian dissidents argue that while highly risky, such a strike (or strikes) would be far more effective than an all out military assault and would provide a catalyst to regime opponents to launch an uprising. The ultimate downsize to this approach is that violent overthrow favors groups specialized in armed rebellion, such as the Marxist Mujahedin -e Khalq"

A regime killing regime change "...destroys the idea that those governments can have sovereignty over their own territories... the basis for the entire nation-state system understands that a nation controls the air, land, and waters that surround it..." is interesting considering Iran's regime cannot extend Writ of State or R2P as well as it can torment their own people, their neighbors and advocate and advance proxy attacks against other nation states.

 

JOHNGUNN

10:09 PM ET

January 13, 2010

Changing the subject.....

Changing the subject completely, does anyone have any take on the article in the WSJ about the increasing use of unmanned military vehicles.

Coming on the back of news a few weeks ago about terrorists in Iraq hacking into US drone footage, I was wondering if the idea of a "soldierless army", or even the estimate that 1/3 of all military vehicles will be unmanned by 2020/5 will ever come to fruition or whether this is just PR by some tech company.

 

TYRTAIOS

10:39 PM ET

January 13, 2010

This of course is driven by

This of course is driven by the IDF's continued progess in this area not only for their own future shaping of the battlespace, but also for their lucrative international arms trade.

Anecdotally, you'll note: Hezbollah was able to construct mutual supporting positions up to 300 meters to the border undetected by Israel, though Israel's use of sensors and drones to detect such over into southern Lebanon, and took the IDF by surprise in 2006.

I guess my point is, don't let robots make drones out of soldiers.

 

CMEYERGO

2:04 AM ET

January 14, 2010

Top Secret

This is why the Pentagon has secretly focused on taking control of the Paki province of Balochistan. Sanctions fail because the Pakis really don't support them, and even if they did rampant smuggling overcomes them. So you build up U.S. military forces in Helmand and slip teams across to stir up the Balochs while destabilizing Pakistan with mindless drone strikes. You claim this is all "counter-terrorism" and enjoy a good laugh when the media parrots that nonsense. So far, they have stopped Iran's planned westward gas pipeline to China.

So we will move soon to shut Iran's back door to Pakistan, then sanctions will bite. Of course this has nothing to do with American national security, its all about protecting Israel as that nation continues its slow ethnic cleansing of the West Bank. Gotta keep the Iranian oil and gas from the Chinese too!

 

CMEYERGO

2:12 AM ET

January 14, 2010

Wolf Blitzer

I meant Iran's eastward pipeline.

If you watch CNN, you'll see Israel's anti-Iran propaganda agent Wolf Blitzer hard at work fooling the American people. Note that Wolf is Jewish, was an Israeli reporter for over a decade, and even work for AIPAC until he suddenly joined CNN and rose to the top. Of course no one at CNN thinks it may seem bias to have someone like Blizter cover MidEast affairs, but then the NY Times was never concerned that another Israeli agent, Tom Friedman, covers the Middle East with his open bias.

 

TYRTAIOS

4:55 AM ET

January 14, 2010

Wolf Pack

Wolf Blitzer is Jewish? I thought he was a former German U-Boat commander - he has the look. Jewish uh? Who'd have thunk it? Than again, I ain't Greek either. Buy the way, what was your intitial point?

 

JSINAIKO

11:39 AM ET

January 14, 2010

He worked for the Jerusalem

He worked for the Jerusalem Post for many years before he was at CNN. I have no idea if that makes him Jewish or if that matters.

It gets old seeing the term "Jewish" when "Zionist" is what is meant. Is Blitzer a Zionist? I have no idea.

 

WILLIAM DEB. MILLS

5:08 PM ET

January 15, 2010

"Jewish" vs. "Zionist"

Thanks, JSinaiko,
It does "get old" when folks confuse "Jewish" and "Zionist" (or "Islamic activist" and "terrorist" or "fundamentalist" and "violent"). But back to "Zionist." Americans in particular seem to have trouble understanding the political label "Zionist." Zionists are a group of people who believe in Israeli expansion (NOT the protection of the security of the Israeli people). Hence, one can argue that Washington should be totally opposed to Zionism, which is an extremist movement provoking regional violence, but that Washington should protect the security of the Israeli people (just as it should protect the security of the Palestinian people). OK, OK, no need to call me naive! I am just trying to define terms.

 

NORWEGIAN SHOOTER

2:42 AM ET

January 14, 2010

Request

Can I be Best Defense Senior Norwegian Correspondent? You never know where the next terror attack will come from!

So the US Army and Marines sponsored a bunch of high-powered* Iran watchers "at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy for an invitation-only not-for-attribution colloquium"? Is this post a joint statement or did you have to smuggle your notes in your underwear? Just weird. Really weird. Tom, as a good WaPo reporter, can you follow the money for me?

* who were all formerly at their positions. Are they still high-powered?

 

JHOOVER

3:47 AM ET

January 14, 2010

sanctions

Third, sanctions have simply not persuaded Iranian leaders

The type of secessions facing bonding Iran now is the problem not the sanction itself.

If the type of sanction used against Iraq in 1991 taking in account that experiment, and tuning it today then imposed on Iran. At that point we can say the sanctions have simply not persuaded Iranian leaders.

The reality part of Green movement motive and forcing them is the economical deteriorate of life.

Why not put limit on the amount of Iran’s oil export? To tied Iranian regime hands of supporting terrorist in Lebanon, Yemen and Iraq.

 

WILLIAM DEB. MILLS

5:47 PM ET

January 14, 2010

Making Iran a Persuasive Offer

You make the important point that “sanctions have simply not persuaded Iranian leaders that the consequences of pursuing their nuclear ambitions will be severe.” I would add that Washington has also not persuaded Iranian leaders that the consequence of reaching an accommodation with Washington would be particularly beneficial.

I would welcome anyone pointing out to me where the case has been made that Washington has even considered exactly what it would have to offer Iran in order to reach a deal that would persuade Iran to trade its invaluable “nuclear ambiguity card” for nuclear transparency.

It appears to me, in contrast, that Washington has not thought this through. A nuclear deal would have vast potential benefits, eliminating a huge obstacle to addressing a host of American problems in the region, from the Afghan War to Palestine. So, what would constitute a logical American offer?

Iran is not an artificial state resulting from British colonial manipulation of tribal borders, a remnant of the Ottoman Empire, or an arbitrary chunk of desert seized by a powerful tribe. Iran is a real country, an integrated society, with both great consciousness of its history and great popular consciousness of politics. A nuclear deal with Iran will not make Iran a Western lackey. Iran can be expected, under any regime, to aspire to participation in major regional events. It can be expected to define for itself, under any regime, a unique foreign policy that will require accommodation.

What sort of accommodation might Washington be able to live with in return for Iranian nuclear transparency?

How many bases in Iraq would it be worth giving up to get real Iranian nuclear transparency? How many agreements to consult before sending U.S. naval vessels into the Persian Gulf would it be worth signing? What sort of modification in U.S. policy toward Lebanon, Syria, Yemen and Palestine might Washington be able to accept?

Rather than focusing on a national debate about how to pressure Iran, it would be to our advantage to address the issue of how to make Iranian nuclear transparency worth Iran’s while.

 

JHOOVER

2:17 AM ET

January 15, 2010

How many bases in Iraq would it be worth giving up to get real I

According to your statement dose US the carrot could offer for Iranians is Iraq?

 

JHOOVER

4:23 AM ET

January 15, 2010

pressure Iran

“My belief remains that political means are the best tools to attain regional security and that military force will have limited results,”
“However, should the president call for military options, we must have them ready.”
Mullen, Joint Chiefs of Staff said Monday

 

WILLIAM DEB. MILLS

4:51 PM ET

January 15, 2010

Nuclear Rules

I think it would be difficult to convict Iran in a court of law for breaking nuclear rules. Most of the reason Americans think Iran cheats seem to result from dishonest descriptions of Iranian behavior.

But the real problem is that the West insists on demanding that Iran obey a set of rules unique to Iran. It would be a real contribution to define the rules clearly in a spreadsheet and then compare Iranian behavior with that of other countries, e.g., Pakistan and Brazil and Argentina and India and Japan and South Korea. Needless to say, Israel, as a rogue state that refuses to sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty, violates all the rules.

We really need to put the behavior of Iran in perspective. "We" means those who want peace. Those who want the wars of the last decade to spread to Iran of course do not want the behavior of Iran put in perspective.

 

Thomas E. Ricks covered the U.S. military for the Washington Post from 2000 through 2008.

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