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I'd asked Col. Gian Gentile if he cared to respond to Col. McCuen's critique, and boy did he. Here it is:

I appreciate Colonel (retired) McCuen's thoughtful and forceful reply to my recent Parameters article.  I also respect and appreciate his longstanding, hard service to the nation as a combat commander in Vietnam and his ongoing engagement with issues as a defense intellectual, and his current involvement as a senior-level advisor in our current conflicts. 

Where to begin with his critique? 

Let's start with the Sorley thesis about the Vietnam War. McCuen says that Sorley was "right;" I disagree and believe Sorley's thesis is wrong. More importantly Sorley's methodology in the use of sources is open to criticism. Go to his book, "A Better War," and view the chapter toward the end of the book that he labels as "Victory" which essentially argues that the Abrams "pacification" approach had won the war for the US and the South Vietnamese.  Then go to the end of the book and view the citations of evidence to this chapter and see how many of them are Vietnamese sources: none. In a chapter that argues the United States had won the war under Abrams-think about that for a minute, "won" the war and its sweep as a breathtaking assertion--there are a paltry 8 endnote citations, and none of them from the side of the Vietnamese enemy. Interestingly this is the very same problem that plagues so many Iraq Surge triumph stories-the idea that the Surge was the primary cause for "victory" in Iraq yet with little sources or evidence from the side of the Iraqi people and more importantly the enemy. A close reading of the operational record of the history of the Vietnam War along with the majority of secondary literature confirms that there was much more continuity than discontinuity between Abrams and Westmoreland. As far as McCuen's statement that by 1972 "90" percent of the South Vietnamese population had been pacified or returned to "our control" is simply not true. Current scholarship by historians such as Eric Bergerud, Richard Hunt, and Kyle Boylan, Andrew Birtle, and Dale Andrade either flatly reject this assertion or question it deeply. In my view we should always keep in mind when thinking about the Vietnam War the profound conclusion by one of the leading scholars on the history of the Vietnam War for the last 30 years, George Herring. His conclusion still holds that "the war could [not] have been 'won' in any meaningful sense at a moral or material cost most American's deemed acceptable." 

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As to Malaya, current historical scholarship argues rather convincingly based on primary sources that the back of the Malayan insurgency was actually broken under Briggs and not Templer. Of course Sir Robert Thompson would confirm such a change in Malaya under Templer since that was the essential argument in his book that he used as a primer for his advisory role to the American Army in the 1960s. Thompson's book should be treated as a primary text in memoir form and not as the oracle of how to do counterinsurgency. Unfortunately McCuen like so many others still treat people and texts like Thompson and Galula out of context, and therefore they are ahistorical in their understanding of Malaya and Vietnam. 

Colonel McCuen's paragraph on strategy actually supports the criticism that I make toward the American Army in my Parameters piece, that we have no strategy but simply a jumble of COIN tactical and operational methods. For McCuen there is ONLY ONE WAY to deal with problems of instability in the world, and that is population-centric counterinsurgency--or as he calls it "hybrid war." This is the same old wine albeit in new skins. Do you see what I mean by a strategy of tactics? With McCuen's logic anytime a problem of insurgency or instability presents itself to us in the world our only choice--and mind you, choice and alternatives are key components of strategy--is to do Thompson or Galula in the troubled spots of the world requiring large numbers of American combat troop presence to secure populations. In this way our path ahead is predetermined; there is no strategic choice, only the better application of tactics and methods as given to us by the experts of counterinsurgency (hybrid) war.

Based on the logic of Colonel McCuen's argument if the President told the American Army to deal with the pirates that emerge out of Mogadishu we would send in combat brigades of hybrid warriors to manipulate the "human terrain" there to our advantage. Since these "hybrid wars," according to Colonel McCuen, can only be won by winning over the population-or "human terrain-" then operational logic demands such an approach. 

Colonel McCuen asks of me how I recommend "...that we do this and win these hybrid and insurgent wars, such as we are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, and likely to be fighting in the future?"

My answer to the Colonel: do strategy better. But at this point the two of us are talking past each other. From my view he is in the realm of operations and tactics, I am trying to view these problems from the angle of strategy. Sometimes strategy demands restraint instead of military adventures and the realization that as much as we want to define populations as "terrain" and subject to our manipulation and management they are not that way at all and without an almost unlimited commitment in blood and treasure they are not to be "changed" for the better at the barrel of an American gun. There are alternatives to McCuen's hybrid wars of nation building and strategy demands that we consider them. If we did through cold logic our way ahead in Afghanistan might be very different. 

Tom again: I am in intellectual trouble now because I find myself agreeing with both men's comments in this blog. What am I missing?

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TOTAL

7:49 PM ET

December 7, 2009

What you're missing

You're missing that Col. Gentile is conflating things that are under the Army's control and things that are not. "Do strategy better" is an admonition for the civilian leadership, not the military (or perhaps at the highest levels, the JCS and President). If the President decides that Afghanistan is where America is going to apply its forces, what should the Army do? Refuse?

 

DRLAKE777

2:59 PM ET

December 8, 2009

Not exactly. Strategy is

Not exactly. Strategy is about how to achieve goals. "Civilian control" means that civilians set the goals. All too often, NEITHER the military leaders nor the civilians leaders think strategically about how to achieve those goals. The civilian leaders in many cases lack the knowledge necessary to think strategically about military issues, because they are elected officials without any background in the military or strategic studies. Military leaders also are all-too-often poor strategists, in part because they are insufficiently sensitive to politics and in part because they got to the top by being politicians rather than by being strategists.

In sum, we're screwed, and always will be.

 

TYRTAIOS

8:14 PM ET

December 7, 2009

Human Terrain?

Out of curiousity when did the term "human terrain" become vogue? I don't want to split hairs here, but aren't human beings part of the environment one finds living on the terrain?

In COINing a new term, why wasn't environmental topography picked?

 

WALKING WOUNDED

6:58 AM ET

December 8, 2009

human topography

already gets a lot of attention, in and out of uniform. ;)

 

DAVID UCKO

8:15 PM ET

December 7, 2009

Mayala sidepoint

I don't understand who you are referring to with these accusations of hagiography, I am sure, vis-a-vis Templer (at the expense of Briggs). As we have discussed earlier, I think it is widely recognised that Templer built on Briggs' successes. Nagl, I, and other COIN-centric accounts of Malaya make that point.

I also don't see how focusing on Templer, who was there for twice as long and had more authority than Briggs, means that COIN scholarship is historically flawed. We've had this discussion before, but never gotten further than this point.

 

CARL PRINE

8:42 PM ET

December 7, 2009

The inconvenience of guerilla memoirs

Karl Hack, Chin Peng and tens of thousands of communists in Malaya might have a different opinion.

 

CARL PRINE

8:56 PM ET

December 7, 2009

Human terrain

The notion of "human terrain" (once translated as topography) is as old as Hubert Lyautey or Lawrence or Gallieni or Gwynn or Callwell or... You get the picture.

The real concept is that the people are the source of the guerilla's strength, his camouflage and his pantry.

The point Gentile and Kilcullen like to echo is that of C.E. Callwell: "guerilla warfare is what regular armies always have most to dread," and which they should most avoid, if at all possible.

Gentile's larger critique indicting the US Army for a "strategy of tactics" yada yada yada recalls the words of Andre Beaufre.

He probably disagrees.

 

TYRTAIOS

9:33 PM ET

December 7, 2009

Human misery

There is nothing new here. Interesting that the Malay Emergency keeps rearing its head, considering that as concerns Human Terrain, the British quite brutally, separated the Chinese from the Malay, by forced relocation into what were no more than quasi-concentration camps.

I know you get the point.

 

D.GLADWELL

9:14 PM ET

December 7, 2009

Both right?

Is it possible that this is one of those times where they are both right? COL Gentile even suggests that they are "talking past" each other, as they focus on different things. For that reason, it's possible that some of us, like Tom, could share both views; they are seeing different parts of the same elephant.

I wonder, as a related tangent, how many of those who comment on this blog regularly, are ACTUALLY in the Army right now. Not was, not woulda-shoulda-coulda. But actually in, or at least in during these conflicts. It seems many who talk don't really understand the dynamics and culture of the Army (not speaking for other branches lest I commit the same offense), and have never been THERE, so how could you REALLY understand the conflict, or operational ANYTHING? It's easy to form opinions, right or wrong or for or against, while studying conflicts and the fight we are in, from academia or the media. It's quite different than that, and even those of us in right now, won't just beat the loyal drum for the Army; many of us are beating the other drum just as loudly - "wake up!". I think one of the wisest points I've ever seen on this blog was from Total: "If the President decides that Afghanistan is where America is going to apply its forces, what should the Army do? Refuse?" We the People believe in a civilian-controlled military. A large degree of our strategy and direction, come from said civilians... At times, for better or worse.

And based on my humble opinon, yes, I am a bottom-dwelling NCO without the "whole picture" and so on, but it seems we are doing both: we are fighting an insurgency with a COIN mind-set, but our NCOES and other Army schools are still taught with BOTH conventional and COIN applications. We train for both, because we might have to do both. One gets more attention for the "current war" but we still war-game and analyze large-scale, conventional battles. We still have doctrine and strategy that depends on that. But what many are missing, isn't that "all our fights" will be insurgent in the future, but urban. Urban fights will UNDOUBTEDLY involve civilians more than open terrain, and some of them will pick sides, for or against. In WW2, there were partisans in most every European country. Fortunately, we weren't the ones really fighting them as much as the Germans were. In that kind of scenario, wouldn't it be safe to assume that BOTH methods would apply? Maybe for example, North Korea or Iran? Or in Europe if it ever happened again? Or, if someone invaded America: how many of us would become partisans, and join-in with the regular forces, fighting on our own soil, in a conventional fight?

But then again, this might be why many in the Army think Afghanistan is a better fight for unconventional or SF, across the board. The Army doesn't always want to admit it, but a large conventional force might not be the best fit for COIN. We can't ALL be good at EVERYTHING...

 

GIAN P GENTILE

9:24 PM ET

December 7, 2009

David: I dont see how you can

David:

I dont see how you can read the majority of secondary literature on the British in Malaya and see it as portrayed as any other way than a fundamental and qualitative shift between Briggs and Templer. As I have suggested to you before this past summer's special edition of the Journal of Strategic Studies on the Malaya Coin Paradigm was about breaking apart and looking critically at this stock view. If there was not such a standard view of Malaya and Briggs and Templer why do you think JSS (a very credible scholarly journal) devoted a special issue toward it?

gian

 

JAFFIR

10:53 PM ET

December 7, 2009

another view

Counter insurgency is less hard than US military commanders make it out. Food on the plate for the moms, jobs for the men, electricity for the town and a demonstration that US forces (security) are staying for longer than the next bi-weekly decision in WDC.

Afghans and Iraqis would like to like us. They just don't trust us. Trust means personal relationships. This is an intel war. Instead of sending a brigade to a sector, send a State Department Political Officer, a CIA Case Officer, A US Army Civil Affairs officer, a communicator, and perhaps a rep from one of the elite US mil unit to live with tribal leaders.

You don't build trust in tribal cultures by visiting them. You have to live with them, 24/7. It works.

Jaffir.

 

AWR

11:47 AM ET

December 8, 2009

Indonesia or Malaysia

When I got drafted in 1965 the Indonesian communist party (PKI) was the third biggest in the World. When I got back from Vietnam in May 1967, it had the smallest. In the many years we wasted fighting communists(?)in Vietnam. In two years the Indonesians had whacked about 200,000+ of them and popped a large number in prison camps. Then the country had about 30+ years of 6% growth under military rule.

Now, after the fall of Soeharto and a new democratic government in power, the political arena is a lot more free than either Malaysia or Singapore. Singapore is still essentially a police state and Malaysia not quite so bad but clearly worse than Indonesia now.

The Malay problem was ethnic and still is. It was really a pissant little affair and I think popular with COIN folk mostly because the literature was/is in English.

There is also a rich source of COIN knowledge from the Indonesian independence fight against the Dutch in the forties - but again not in English.

 

JSINAIKO

3:20 PM ET

December 8, 2009

200,000+

The problem is that Indonesia had what we call, uh, a bloodbath. Or genocide (all the CP folks were ethnic Chinese). Or a slaughter. Some folks put the numbers at closer to 500,000.

I'm sure an expanded Phoenix program to "whack" all the VC would have worked great - NOT. Killing a few hundred thousand more Iraqis would just do wonders for our relations with them as well.

If we want to act that way we may as well just do what the Russians do and kill 'em all and sort out the details later. The American public and the rest of the world would respond to that in a really positive manner - NOT.

Maybe I'm missing your point - if it isn't that you just slaughter them all and then install an autocrat for the next thirty-five years I'm unclear as to what you are proposing.

 

AWR

9:52 PM ET

December 9, 2009

White revolutio succeeds

You have your ethnic comparisons confused. In Indonesia it was a pure political play with the Indonesian Communist Party (PKI) accepting members from damn near everywhere. Here in Timor, a significant minority of the ambitious protestant preachers were PKI members just because they thought it was the ticket to success.

Most of the killings done in Bali and East Java had little to do with the political situation and a lot to do with rich farmers / poor farmers and land fights mostly land fights. Poor farmers all over Indonesia were members of the PKI and the rich Islamic folk (the Whites) whacked the Reds. The army by in large did not do the killing but gave enthusiastic support to those who wanted to.

Most killings were rural and Chinese did not live in the rural areas. In Malaysia most of the communists insurgents were ethnic Chinese with the odd Indian tossed in. Most Malays were sitting under coconut trees waiting for a nut to fall. They were not very political back then.

But my point was that the white revolution worked and it was not done by outsiders; it was local. Just like Korea and Taiwan, the military experience was painful but in the long term lead to real democracy. Indonesia now has an exceptionally open political sphere with very open and pointed debate. The police and the Judges are still corrupt but the political debate indicates this will not last forever.

You have to be VERY careful what you say in Singapore but not in Indonesia.

The change in Indonesia was huge in numbers as the Malaya Emergency was small and a typical Colonial British Buffoon exercise where they would stop the fight for a tea break.

Come visit _ the old commies that still are alive will now talk about it.

 

JSINAIKO

1:49 AM ET

December 10, 2009

DOH! I stand corrected - yes

DOH!

I stand corrected - yes I was thinking of Malaysia NOT Indonesia. Therefore my entire post is incorrect and irrelevant.

Thanks for pointing it out.

 

HUNTER

6:50 PM ET

December 8, 2009

Gentile again

As I stated before Gentile has a schtick - and this is it. Playing the devil's advocate role or gadfly is useful to maintaining balance in the organization. but this just sounds shrill and silly.

He fears we are expending all our resources towards COIN - nonsense. As d.gladwell points out we don't even trainin COIN anything in the schoolhouse. Only conscientious commanders and soldiers who have learned that "if all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail" is a bad way to fight in many situations. This is and always has been a grassroots endeavor. Smart LTs and NCOs going door to door (doing the State Dept work I might add) recognizing that when we realize our differences aren't all that different we are likely to kill each other less. Those LTs have grown to be MAJs in this war so far. Meanwhile the old warhorses still beat their drum about the rise of China and Russia resurgent.

Yes COL Gentile you are correct, we best not put all our eggs in one basket...but the truth is that isn't even a risk right now. Watch the schoolhouse and the acquisitions communities - they haven't changed a bit (although they should have).

What's truly hilarious is this - Gentile denigrates the idea of human terrain. And yet every war has been won or lost based on that simple component. Is the foe willing to continue the fight. The strategy and tactics is ALWAYS based on setting that condition. Human terrain is the oldest of concepts and ye tthe most misunderstood. Gentile should know better - but then that isn't his schtick.

 

GIAN P GENTILE

7:36 PM ET

December 8, 2009

Hunter: It is not

Hunter:

It is not nonsense.

Of the new brigades that the army is generating none of them are heavy brigades, in fact two of them will be stryker infantry. Reports from folks who I know who are currently at army educational institutions suggest that the Coin mentality permeates their courses and planning exercises there. It is not just about the school house either. Our brigades that go through the CTCs by necessity focus primarily on Coin missions for Afghanistan and Iraq. That is naturally what they should be concentrating on but it still points to the Coin orientation of the American Army. On last year’s tactical Brigade command list only two or the 11 or 12 tactical combat brigades (my facts may be a just slightly off here but not by much)went to armor officers, the rest to infantry. Reports from the field especially from Afghanistan continue to show the influence of Coin operations, training, and mindset on the force.

Not once have i suggested that the most likely future scenario is war with China or a resurgent soviet union. I dont know where you get that from. What I have argued is that in the future the Army will be told to do a lot of things of which fighting will be a part, so we better be sure that we can do the basics of combined arms first and from there we can learn and adapt toward Coin. The recent experience of the Israeli Army in south Leb and then two years later in Gaza shows what happens to an army when it becomes overly focused on Coin.

The problem with the Coin crowd is that they are the ones consumed by shtick. And there shtick is that for their construct to work the Army has to be by its nature a conventional one which doesn’t by its nature get Coin, but with the help of the Coin experts, the old-fogey generals can be removed and a better path toward population centric coin pursued. In the Coin world it just doesn’t work to have an Army that is good at Coin because then the whole dominance of the learning and adapting paradigm would go away.

My point about human terrain which you missed is that unless we are willing to commit to a generational effort and large amounts of blood and treasure we will not be able to shape and manage it through the processes and methods of Coin as Jack McCuen suggests. History and current political science theory suggests this strongly to be the case.

gentile

 

JAFFIR

7:35 AM ET

December 9, 2009

I appreciate your point of

I appreciate your point of view.

One thing that continues to perplex me is the false dilemma over whether the army should focus on a combined arms or coin mentality. The US military is big and bad enough to do two complicated things at once. If we were Liechtenstein, it would be either A or B but we are not a Duchy.

If the US military can't successfully prosecute the wars they are engaged in (after many many years), then, its leadership is indicted by the jury of the battlefield. If they can't anticipate and plan for the next fight, then they will be found equally guilty of negligence. The US military has some of the finest Americans in our country at their call so their is no shortage of talent.

How can we be in two wars with/in countries, admittedly complicated, and we cannot prevail? We defeated Germany and Japan. They were equally complicated countries and the gentleman running those wars managed to figure out a solution.

What are we missing here?

Jaffir

 

HUNTER

2:23 PM ET

December 9, 2009

Thank you Sir,

A good response, which I simply have to disagree with.

I don't see the selection of Stryker BDEs as a canary in the coalmine sign that you do. Shinseki saw the need for a medium force (Bosnia validated it ahead of time) and now we are building to that capability. They are needed in Iraq/Afghanistan now...they are being bought in kind.

I have been IN, AR, and CAV (H and L); and yet I have always been a diehard AR guy at heart. Nevertheless, even I recognize that the AR mafia of the old days has lost some of its MOJO - and rightfully so, maybe that is the correct cycle for the time. You seem to believe that BDE CMD selection is some sort of negative indicator. I would think that it is more indicative of a natural ebb and cycle - and based largely on the experience of the force in fighting the current fight. It also likely has to do with the fact that the old force structure was more heavily weighted to Armor forces vice the new one. The I/H/SBCT structure reflects these changes. This is especially true when you account for the downsizing of the Armor force following Desert Storm. In the mid nineties armor battalions were disappearing left and right and the Armor officers with them. (My first Infantry Bn in '94 had numerous Armor officers in the ranks because they simply had no where else to go). Many infantry officers likely have even more varied experience - with multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan as Light and Mech. Perhaps they are simply the better choice. Regardless, I hardly think that BDE CMD selection vs branch is a criteria we should even be concerned with. In many ways we should perhaps eliminate those branch delineations - especially as the modular force grows....i.e. an IBCT CAV SQDN has a IN SQDN CDR, an AR SQDN XO and an IN SQDN S3, even though it has 2 mounted troops and 1 dismounted. Hey, blame the MTOES...not COIN.

I apologize for attributing the China, resurgent Russia comment to you - it is usually lumped into similar conversations. In my previous post, I concurred with you that we should not put all our eggs into the COIN basket. Nevertheless, my experience is that the Army is preaching COIN but they are taking no real action to institutionalize it beyond the new manual and the myriad CALL products. Schoolhouses still concentrate on HIC far too much, to the exclusion of COIN (or even LIC or MOOTW or SASO whatever acronymn du jour you prefer). CTCs and training centers still focus on the worst case scenarios and usually still include some HIC fight(s) - and negatively train the soldiers in the process. And so on.

How is a learning and adapting paradigm bad? I think the old-fogey generals and coininistas can co-exist. We have a false dichotomy going on here.

I think there is lots of comfort to be found in fighting the old cross-desert tank battle - but it simply isn't where we find ourself now. I also think it is counter-intuitive to think that any foe (watching the battles unfold now) will ever willingly stand toe-to-toe with our technologically superior and professional force (even China). They see what is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan - they ain't stupid - and they will follow suit. They will melt into the country side and fight the guerilla war, cultivate IEDs, snipers, and ambushes playing to our disadvantages...just as we would do given the same circumstances. For that reason, I don't think we will see a _protracted_ conventional fight for decades to come.

No matter what the case, we need to better balance how we train our force. 8 years on we still don't have anything like an MTP for COIN. (just an example). If a generational effort is required we are behind the power curve, everything this generation has learned they have learned the hard way.

I'm curious - given your position as Military History chair at the Academy - how has your (core) curriculum changed to reflect the COIN fight? A cursory look tells me (as you said lots of old wine in new skins):

HI:301/302 History of the Military Art
HI: 351/352 Advanced History Of The Military Art
HI:370 History of Ancient and Medieval Warfare
HI:373 Warfare in the Age of Napoleon
HI:377 History of Asian Warfare
HI:381 History of Unconventional Warfare
HI:382 Visiting Professor's Course (if applicable)
HI:383 History of Middle Eastern Warfare
HI:384 Weapons and Warfare in the Modern Era
HI:385 War and Its Theorists
HI:386 Korea, Vietnam and the American Military Experience
HI:387 Generalship and the Art of Command
HI:388 The History of World War II
HI:389 Grand Strategy in the 20th Century

Of course the real question is what changes have occured in
HI:302 History of the Military Art? which is the second, more modern history course required of all cadets. This is a key distinction since the two 301 and 302 courses are the only ones required of every cadet (most of these others are strictly for history majors).

Understand, I am not trying to be adversarial here, just insitutionally curious.

BTW, I'll be speaking today at a West Point Society meeting, and I'll be sharing the importance of the COIN fight in Iraq and the impact of the surge and its antecedents. I've spent the last 6-7 years studying COIN with the help of Tom Ricks and many mutual acquaintances. This is sadly because the Army itself provided little. I was fortunate, I realized early that understanding the COIN fight was integral to the survival of my unit and myself. I devoured all I could in anticipation of the impending deployment and passed on all I could to my unit. That self-study was instrumental in the unit's success while serving in Iraq last year.

 

JAFFIR

2:47 PM ET

December 9, 2009

The real question is, years

The real question is, years into several wars, why are we not prevailing in either of them?

More importantly, why are we accepting failure?

Jaffir

 

DAVID BILLINGTON

8:40 PM ET

December 9, 2009

Parameters Article

Colonel Gentile,

Toward the end of your article you write:

"It is in this period [late 19th century] that if they did nothing else right the British Army and government did understand the value of strategy. They understood the essence of linking means to ends. In other words, they did not see military operations as ends in themselves but instead as a means to achieve policy objectives. And they realized that there were costs that had to be paid."

I would be grateful if you could cite an example from British experience to explain your point here.

 

JAFFIR

11:57 PM ET

December 9, 2009

history is not always the future

Think forward. The USG has the current money, experience, and talent win in Afghanistan and Iraq. They earned it the hard way. Lets not forget history, but lets be bounded by it.

Jaffir

 

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Thomas E. Ricks covered the U.S. military for the Washington Post from 2000 through 2008.

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