The Fort Hood shooter: How the Army dropped the ball

Posted By Thomas E. Ricks Share

This exchange from a Senate hearing yesterday about how and why the Army dropped the ball on the Fort Hood shooter is worth reading:

Sen. Lieberman: . . . . General Keane, do you -- and obviously this is speculation but the military is most sensitive of any organization I know to any taint or allegation or impression of being discriminatory which is appropriate. Do you think that political correctness may have played some role in the fact that these dots were not connected?

Gen. Keane: Yes, absolutely and also I think a factor here is Hasan's position as an officer and also his position as a psychiatrist contributed to that because of the special category I think someone who's operating as a clinician every day treating patients is in in the military. It's an individual activity versus a group activity which provides considerably more supervision in squads, platoons, companies and the like inside our units.

So there's no doubt in my mind that that was operating here. But in fairness to many of the people who are associating with him, based on what preliminary research I have done and I think what the committee is doing, I think we're going to find very clearly that we do not have specific guidelines on dealing with Jihadist extremism in terms of the obligations of the members of the military to identify a reported and what actions to take and what constitutes Jihadist extremists itself.

So that you take some of this burden away from people by having those guidelines and when you have those guidelines in place you are clearly saying to the institution that this is important to us, we are not going to tolerate this kind of behavior and we want to identify with immediately to try to curb the behavior through counseling and rehabilitation and if necessary separate that individual from the service if it cannot be curbed.

Sen. McCain: I have talked to military officers who have stated that they at least up until now have had a significant reluctance to pursue what may be these indications because of this political correctness environment. Have you heard the same?

Gen. Keane: Well I know it exists, no doubt about it, and what I'm trying to say is is that the way to deal with that -- it shouldn't have to be an act of moral courage on behalf of a soldier to have to report behavior that we should not be tolerating inside our military organizations. It should be an obligation. The way to make that an obligation is provide very specific guidelines through the chain of command as to what their duties are in regards to this issue. That takes this issue -- begins to take this issue off the table because the institution is speaking clearly in terms of what its expectations are and what it will tolerate and what it will not tolerate.

Sen. McCain: And perhaps err on the side of caution instead of erring on the side of correctness.

I think General Keane is pointing to a good way to help soldiers, and help the Army, akin to what Stu Herrington was talking about the other day in this blog.   

RoE warning: Look, I know the three people quoted above are not Democratic Party favorites. Even so, I don't want to see a bunch of ad hominem attacks on Keane, McCain and Lieberman. If you want to do that, take it outside to another blog. This is a sensitive, difficult subject. It is easy to rant about this. But that is not what we need. I don't want name calling, I want to think about solutions here, as Keane does. ‘Nuff said?

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NORWEGIAN SHOOTER

6:14 PM ET

November 20, 2009

Don't rush to judgment

Congressional testimony does not make an investigation. Even so, nothing in this quote specifically calls out PC attitudes toward Muslims, which is the specific charge being made by those that claim PCness was instrumental in allowing Hasan to be "undectected."

Also, in any other circumstance, if a testifier is asked a yes/no question by a Senator, says "Yes, absolutely" or "no doubt about it" and then goes on to elaborate his answer, we don't highlight the yes and downplay the rest. We realize that you should say yes to a Senator. Here is what Keane said:

"Hasan's position as an officer and also his position as a psychiatrist contributed to that because of the special category I think someone who's operating as a clinician every day treating patients is in in the military." So he didn't have much supervision. Seems relevant.

"The way to make that an obligation is provide very specific guidelines through the chain of command as to what their duties are in regards to this issue." So we condition the chain of command to follow the book but then blame Muslim PCness when they don't freelance?

Finally, another factor ignored by the PC argument, Hasan was a highly-trained, in high-demand officer with a long service commitment left. Maybe a reprimand for some public incident, but separating him from the service? Not a chance.

 

MDREW

6:22 PM ET

November 20, 2009

It is not ad hominem to say

that the pre-cooked agenda that McCain and Lieberman are bringing to this "investigation" makes a mockery of that word. To my ears, Gen. Keane in this exchange is practically SCREAMING at them, "PC might be part of the problem, but we are not sure how much it was, and your unicausal obsession with a presumed cause of this tragedy is uglier than sin, besides which we need as many Muslim soldiers as we can get if we're going to keep fighting the types of wars I know you two want to fight, so we should be focusing on making the forces an environment that tends to push Muslims toward extremism LESS and not MORE, you ninnies! In which of those directions do you think the tone of this hearing is pushing us?"

But maybe that's just me.

 

CAPTAIN NOVAL

1:05 AM ET

November 21, 2009

Typical pap

I am a partisan but I also I listen to commentators from all around the political spectrum: Hilary Clinton and Sarah Palin, Joe Lieberman and Olympia Snowe, Ben Nelson and Chuck Hagel.

Presume good faith. Few people in public life are in it for truly corrupt reasons, and no party has a monopoly on virtue or good sense.

People who refuse to listen to voices from outside their party show nothing except for their own prejudice and deafness.

Tom takes some grief for exhibiting this trait, and it is a shame that he must preface his post by making this statement about the participants in Thursday's hearing.

 

NORWEGIAN SHOOTER

3:48 AM ET

November 21, 2009

Typical puffery

Golden mean, Straw man, and Huh? And I think Tom did a disservice to his commenters with his unneeded warning. In fact, his posturing was more PC than anything else here.

As for Lieberman and McCain, everyone is outside their parties, since they are the only members of the Con. for Lieberman and Me First parties. They have to be the most self-serving hacks in the Senate. And that's saying quite a bit.

Whoops, was that ad hominem?

 

MDREW

6:25 PM ET

November 20, 2009

Also

Did you have time to listen to Sen. Levin's questioning? No mention here, hmm.

 

RUBBER DUCKY

7:09 PM ET

November 20, 2009

Uncomfortable

Am getting increasingly uncomfortable with the ease with which we move towards making thought a crime. Jihadist actions may be criminal, jihadist conspiracies too, but jihadist thought is protected, as is speech. And religion. And the right to peaceably assemble.

And the line between religious fervor and proscribed behavior seems thinning as well ... which should cause pause for religions other than Muslim.

I personally despise religious whackos of all stripes, but that's not the same as criminalizing religious thought. Get a grip, folks. The military is a clan of rule-followers: write those rules with great care.

 

PETE

8:17 PM ET

November 20, 2009

Over-Reaction or Prudence?

As the obituary below shows, sometimes with the hindsight of more than 50 years it is hard to say whether barring someone from national security work was the right thing to do.

Qian Xuesen dies at 98; rocket scientist helped establish Jet Propulsion Laboratory

By Claire Noland
Los Angeles Times
November 1, 2009

Qian Xuesen, a former Caltech rocket scientist who helped establish the Jet Propulsion Laboratory before being deported in 1955 on suspicion of being a Communist and who became known as the father of China's space and missile programs, has died. He was 98.

Qian, also known as Tsien Hsue-shen, died Saturday in Beijing, China's state news agency reported. The cause was not given.

Honored in his homeland for his "eminent contributions to science," Qian was credited with leading China to launch intercontinental ballistic missiles, Silkworm anti-ship missiles, weather and reconnaissance satellites and to put a human in space in 2003.

The man deemed responsible for these technological feats also was labeled a spy in the 1999 Cox Report issued by Congress after an investigation into how classified information had been obtained by the Chinese.

Qian, a Chinese-born aeronautical engineer educated at Caltech and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, was a protege of Caltech's eminent professor Theodore von Karman, who recognized him as an outstanding mathematician and "undisputed genius."

Qian's research contributed to the development of "jet-assisted takeoff" technology that the military began using in the 1940s.

He was the founding director of the Daniel and Florence Guggenheim Jet Propulsion Center at Caltech and a member of the university's so-called Suicide Squad of rocket experimenters who laid the groundwork for testing done by JPL.

But his brilliant career in the United States came to a screeching halt in 1950, when the FBI accused him of being a member of a subversive organization. Qian packed up eight crates of belongings and set off for Shanghai, saying he and his wife and two young children wanted to visit his aging parents back home. Federal agents seized the containers, which they claimed contained classified materials, and arrested him on suspicion of subversive activity.

Qian denied any Communist leanings, rejected the accusation that he was trying to spirit away secret information and initially fought deportation. He later changed course, however, and sought to return to China.

Five years after his arrest, he was shipped off in an apparent exchange for 11 American airmen captured during the Korean War.

"I do not plan to come back," Qian told reporters. "I have no reason to come back. . . . I plan to do my best to help the Chinese people build up the nation to where they can live with dignity and happiness."

Welcomed as a national hero in China, where the Communist regime had defeated the Nationalist forces, Qian became director of China's rocket research and was named to the Central Committee of the Communist Party. China, whose scientific development lagged during the Communist revolution, quickly began making strides.

Qian was born in the eastern city of Hangzhou, and in 1934 graduated from Jiaotong University in Shanghai, where he studied mechanical engineering. He won a scholarship to MIT and, after earning a master's degree in aeronautical engineering there, continued his doctoral studies at Caltech.

He taught at MIT and Caltech and, having received a security clearance, served on the Scientific Advisory Board that advised the U.S. military during and after World War II.

Sent to Germany to interrogate Nazi scientists, Qian interviewed rocket scientist Wernher von Braun. As the trade magazine Aviation Week put it in 2007, upon naming Qian its person of the year, "No one then knew that the father of the future U.S. space program was being quizzed by the father of the future Chinese space program."

Qian returned to Caltech in 1949 and a year later faced the accusation by two former members of the Los Angeles Police Department's "Red Squad" that he was a card-carrying member of the Communist Party.

He admitted that while a graduate student in the 1930s he had been present at social gatherings organized by colleagues who also were accused of party membership, but he denied any political involvement.

Few can agree on the question of whether Qian was a spy. An examination of the papers Qian packed away failed to turn up any classified documents. Colleagues at Caltech firmly stood behind him, and he continued to do research there after he lost his security clearance. In fact, the university gave him its distinguished alumni award in 1979 in recognition of his pioneering work in rocket science.

Although federal officials started deportation procedures in 1950, he was prevented from leaving the country because it was decided that he knew too much about sensitive military matters that could be of use to an enemy.

For years, Qian was in a sort of limbo, being watched closely by the U.S. government and living under partial house arrest. Eventually he quit fighting his expulsion and actively worked to return to China. Some associates said that he was insulted because his loyalty to this country was questioned and that he initially wanted to clear his name.

Once he returned home in 1955, he threw himself into his research with what some saw as calculated revenge.

"It was the stupidest thing this country ever did," former Navy Secretary Dan Kimball later said, according to Aviation Week. "He was no more a Communist than I was, and we forced him to go."

Qian survived the Cultural Revolution of the 1960s, when many Chinese intellectuals lost their positions, probably because his scientific research and development for military purposes was considered too vital to suspend.

He is said to have supported the government's crushing of the rebellion in Tiananmen Square in 1989. And he never returned to the United States.

Information on survivors was not immediately available.

Copyright © 2009, The Los Angeles Times

 

TYRTAIOS

9:13 PM ET

November 20, 2009

Doctors: "Do No Harm"

Perhaps just as in the civilian medical profession, where poor performing and misbehaving doctors are all too often not sanctioned or disciplined, but allowed to resign and take up residence at a different hospital, this was the mindset of the doctors that were associated with Maj. Hasan at Walter Reed?

It seems from what I've gathered, his behavior and slide presentation, while at Walter Reed, gave cause for concern by many of his peers, and was reported to their common superior(s), but no action was taken.

I won't comment on the PC issue that may have played a part in allowing Hasan to continue on his way. But I do firmly believe the Army's medical corps' mindset played an important part by sending a bad apple to Ft. Hood, with the prevailing attitude that by transferring Hasan, he'd just go away - out of sight - out of mind.

A question: if Hasan hadn't committed this act, is this the type of individual we want probing the minds of troubled soldiers?

 

ITONLYSTANDSTOREASON

7:36 PM ET

November 20, 2009

Premature

It is not improbable that some people, recognizing the political loadings of the religious fault lines threatening our wars in the Mideast, are willing to lean a bit backwards to avoid the appearance of targeting Muslims. Even perceived unfairness would help make the 'clash of civilizations' hypothesis come true.

However, in this particular exchange, I note two things.

First, Gen. Keane doesn't tell us what is his basis in evidence for determining that PC was a significant factor.

Second, these hearings are primarily political theater, aimed at getting in getting exposure while the media are hot on the trail. So the first question is, what are Lieberman and McCain up to?

"Political Correctness" is typically a charge made against liberals. Lieberman and McCain are hawks who are unhappy with the administration's caution about doubling down on Afghanistan. Although this issue resides far down the chain of command from the White House, are Lieberman and McCain trying to create an atmosphere in which the political fallout accrues to the administration?

 

ITONLYSTANDSTOREASON

9:42 PM ET

November 20, 2009

But Ricks said he wants

But Ricks said he wants solutions, not rants.

I don't regard my comment as a rant, but does it contribute to solutions?

The hearing, by turning up the heat, helps to push this up the priority list.

The problem of using the hearing to raise politically-leaded charges is that it may lead to solutions crafted to make the politics go away, whether that is the underlying problem or not.

Never having served, I'm not going to pretend to know how to fix it.

I have the impression that rules are important, but so is culture. And promotion. So at the minimum rules are needed that protect the careers of whistle-blowers (and isn't this a particular case of the reluctance of individuals to step forward as a whistle-blower?). But cultural adjustments are necessary also.

Commentators have suggested various motives for not dealing with Hassan more aggressively - PCness, sunk investments in Hassan, the problem filling personnel slots, the tendency of pyschs to see a psych problem before a security problem. How to overcome these?

I suggest that maybe David Brooks was precisely wrong - the theraputic perspective was not the problem. The problem is that the focus was on the individual rather than the armed services community. We need to track and when necessary quarantine Hassans because of the public health threat they present to the community, not because of animus against Hasan as an individual or Muslims as a class.

 

JPWREL

12:02 AM ET

November 21, 2009

What I am curious about is

What I am curious about is whether a security clearance process would have uncovered some insight into Hasan which would have raised a red flag and encourage further investigation? Did he even need to receive a clearance for his specialty? Maybe he did pass a basic clearance procedure, which means that perhaps we are not asking the right questions, or the process is influenced by political correctness? I don’t know but I would like to.

 

PETE

1:37 AM ET

November 21, 2009

Security Clearances

It is possible that a National Agency Check (NAC) might have revealed that he came to the attention of the FBI when he sent those emails to the radical cleric overseas. The NAC is the most perfunctory of clearances in that it only involves checking to see whether any national agencies have information on a person. Higher-level clearances check for criminal convictions, indebtedness, substance abuse, the circumstances of foreign travel, and membership in subversive organizations. Today mental health and counseling are a gray area in part because of DoD efforts to encourage military personnel to get help for those kinds of problems. Lastly, security clearance investigations often include interviews with current and former employers and neighbors, which in Major Hasan's case may have revealed information on his radical views. It is quite possible that Hasan could have obtained a clearance if no potentially disqualifying information had been revealed during the investigation.

 

JPWREL

2:58 AM ET

November 21, 2009

Pete, thank for the run down

Pete, thanks for the run down on security clearances. I know little of this subject other than what I learned when my kid became a SEAL officer and received a Top Secret Level III I think it is? That is what got me to thinking that if Hasan had to go though that process perhaps the Army might have been tipped off to a deranged guy in their midst.

 

PETE

5:04 PM ET

November 22, 2009

Fair enough, but ...

Major Hasan spent his professional life around fellow psychiatrists and mental health care providers. If they didn't notice that he was nuts I don't know who else would have.

 

CHARLIEFORD

1:58 AM ET

November 21, 2009

We can't find the solution . . .

. . . until we've identified the problem. Identification with Muslim extremism deserves open-season all year round, PC be d**ned.

But a lot that I've heard about Hasan makes him sound, his religion excepted, like a garden-variety all-American loner gone postal.

We've had enough non-Muslim shooters in this nation to prove to the satisfaction of just about anyone sentient that the ideology often (not always) comes second to whatever compulsions are driving people.

No one who wants to think responsibly about this issue--and that means, at a minimum, comparatively--should overlook

"The Fort Carson Murder Spree: Soldiers returning from Iraq have been charged in at least 11 murders at America's third-largest Army base. Did the military's own negligence contribute to the slayings?" by L. CHRISTOPHER SMITH

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/30794989/the_fort_carson_murder_spree/

or the companion piece that aired on the radio show "Here and Now" yesterday:

http://www.hereandnow.org/media-player/?url=http://www.hereandnow.org/2009/11/rundown-1119/&title=Another%20Army%20Murder%20Spree&segment=4&pubdate=2009-11-19

There are some obvious parallels (the military overlooking clear signs of danger) here.

But one would be hard pressed to attribute the negligence in the Ft. Carson case to political correctness. So perhaps that's not the problem after all?

Not many cheap points to get from that observation in the so-called "culture war," however. So expect more grand standing until, finally, someone declares we need to get that "e pluribus unum" off the coinage because it's a silly piece of relativist nonsense weakening us when the nation's at war.

 

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3:07 PM ET

November 21, 2009

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DIPLOMATICHSTORIAN

3:11 PM ET

November 22, 2009

Political Correctness ... or Simply Upholding the Constitution?

Seems to me any attempt to profile any federal employee based on specific Islamic beliefs would run afoul of Article VI of the same document everyone quoted in Ricks' post swore to uphold and defend. "[N}o religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States" is pretty explicit. And if you're going to start checking for extremism in general, I think Mikey Weinstein has several individuals he'd like added to the list.

 

WALKING WOUNDED

4:59 PM ET

November 23, 2009

How many 20 round mags did he buy?

The 'symposium' speech strikes me as an an overt cry for help. He wanted out. He made the valid point that his 'don't join crusaders in a war on umma co-religionists' view was not unique among moslems. That dogma is problematic, as we fight and anticipate multiple wars in moslem Asia, Africa, and ignore the demographics of SE Europe.

Acquiring (260 rounds worth, in one purchase?) massive rapid reload capability for a close range homicide weapon also maybe should raise a different red flag, beyond the obvious premeditation. Or is it not PC to mention that here ?

The 2nd Ammendment was written in a time when a militiaman's captured Brown Bess fired a round or three a minute. The cap and ball Colt pistol hadn't yet been invented or deployed, to even the odds for an unpopular officer in the senior service.

How much safer will our children be, when we all achieve firepower parity with Dr. Hasan, the gang bangers, and their white fright counterparts?

Judge and hang the murderous messenger, but do read the note.

 

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Thomas E. Ricks covered the U.S. military for the Washington Post from 2000 through 2008.

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