Retired generals getting rich from conflicts of interest

Posted By Thomas E. Ricks Share

USA Today tells the unseemly tale of retired American generals who go to work for the defense industry, but also work as paid "mentors" to the military, which gets them helpful inside information -- and all the while collecting generous pensions. My view: If you are going to do this mentoring, do it for free, as an act of patriotism and gratitude. Otherwise it looks like a racket of insiders spreading the wealth around other insiders.

There will be a bunch of outraged responses about 30 years of dedicated service and how dare people question their ethics. My test on this is easy: Would George C. Marshall have accepted such payments? I doubt it. (Remember, he declined to write a memoir that would have made him wealthy because he thought it would have been improper to get into the failings of some of his comrades.)    

By the way, if the New York Times can win a Pulitzer for its story about generals going on TV too much, this one should win two.

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CMEYERGO

5:36 PM ET

November 18, 2009

Kickbacks

This corruption has increased over the years, and the press refuses to use the correct English term, kickback, to inform the public. While the WashPost covered retired Army General Keane's efforts to promote the failed surge in Iraq, it ignored the money he made off "security" contracts in Iraq.

G2mil.com has covered this. From 2001:

Unfortunately, this scandal was ignored and the director of the Army's Program Analysis and Evaluation, Major General David K. Heebner, was promoted to Lieutenant General in 1997 and became the Assistant Vice Chief of Staff of the Army. In 1999, just one month after General Shinseki announced a newly created requirement for billions of dollars of LAVs, General Dynamics announced hiring General Heebner to a newly created vice president position. The amount of his pay was not disclosed, but it was negotiated while he was on active duty. However, an SEC insider trading report shows that Heebner acquired $300,000 worth of General Dynamics stock within a year of leaving the Army. General Heebner didn't slide out the back gate to join General Dynamics. The Army proudly hosted a large retirement party at Fort Myer, complete with Congressmen, the US Army band, and marching soldiers to celebrate Heebner's success.

One year later, a lucrative $4 billion LAV contract was awarded to a General Dynamics/General Motors partnership, prompting Harry J. Pearce, Vice Chairman, of General Motors to proclaim "On behalf of General Motors and our defense unit, I’d like to commend General Shinseki, Chief of Staff of the U.S. Army, for his vision to transform the army for the 21st century into a more agile force through the use of wheeled vehicles". Mr. Pearce was thrilled since the Army chose to pay more than twice as much as the current LAV price, three times more than it would have cost to upgrade Army M113s for the role, and forty times more than General Reimer's idea to use HMMWV light trucks. During the Pentagon briefing to announce the contract, Lieutenant General Paul Kern anticipated reporter questions and proclaimed: "I will not discuss source selection. You probably would all like to go into that part of the process, but that is protected by the federal acquisition regulations, so we will not go into that part of it, other than to tell you that this has been a very exciting time..."

http://www.g2mil.com/Sept2001.htm

And from 2008, in an article on the Pentagon's biggest failure:

While the V-22 was reviewed for cancellation in 2001, there was heavy political lobbying to save it. The Boeing effort was led by General Richard Hearny, the former head of Marine Aviation, who retired in 1996 and was Vice President for business development at Boeing. The lobby effort for Boeing's partner, Bell Helicopter, was led by its Vice President for government relations, General Terrence R. Dake, who retired from the Marines in 2000 after heading Marine Aviation. The effort at Headquarters Marine Corps was led by the head of Marine Aviation, General Fred McCorkle (right).

Soon after retiring from the Marines in October 2001, McCorkle joined the board of directors and as a senior advisor for GKN Aerospace Services (V-22 fuel tanks). He also serves on the Rolls-Royce North America board of directors (V-22 engines), and is a member of the board of directors of Lord Corporation (V-22 components). In addition, he has served as a consultant for Boeing Aerospace (V-22 maker) and Optical Air Data Systems (V-22 low airspeed indicator).

While these Generals receive an $8000 a month retirement check from the Marines, a tradition emerged in which the head of Marine Aviation is financially rewarded after retirement for not rocking the boat. General Clay Comfort said that his older generation of retired Generals consider this practice despicable.

http://www.g2mil.com/V-22survive.htm

 

ZATHRAS

6:01 PM ET

November 18, 2009

Marshall's Army

This is not intended to defend anyone, but George Marshall served most of his career on active duty in a peacetime Army that didn't have that many generals. When he ran the Army during World War II, Army generals who became well-known were generally combat commanders. The expertise and experience of these men was not generally transferable to the civilian sector in quite the same way as we see with retiring senior officers today.

What we have today is essentially a peacetime military establishment with a large number of senior officers, many of whom devote most of their careers to the various components of the procurement process. George Marshall's example may mean considerably less to these officers than it does to civilian military buffs outside the Pentagon.

 

TYRTAIOS

6:37 PM ET

November 18, 2009

Marshall Lobbied

Maybe using Gen. Marshall was a good idea, in that Marshall used his considerable influence to sell the Economic Cooperation Administration or what became known as the Marshall Plan, which was one good piece of lobbying! :)

Incidentally, has it ever been explained his unusual unavailability the morning of December 7th, 1941?

 

JPWREL

7:46 PM ET

November 18, 2009

Marshall was exercising his

Marshall was exercising his horse on the riding trails that existed at that time along the south shore of the Potomac, as he did every Sunday morning whenever he was in Washington. It was one of the few opportunities he had to get some exercise and free time by himself. And he deserved every second of that time.

 

TYRTAIOS

9:39 PM ET

November 18, 2009

I understand

I understand that. I respect the man, especially as an internationalist and statesman, but it seems that particular Sunday it took extra time to find him - just curious?

Note the contrast between his hair grooming and that of Gen. Casey? Casey leans toward the Bert and Ernie look, off Sesame Street.

 

IRR SOLDIER...

10:49 PM ET

November 18, 2009

Don't Get Me Started - A Picture That Speaks a 1,000 Words

Here's a picture that says so much about GEN Marshall and underscores how wanting some of our current leadership is.

Photo of GEN Casey in his new, "mall cop" Class B's saluting Marshall's grave:

http://www.army.mil/-images/2009/06/15/41017/army.mil-41017-2009-06-15-110607.jpg

 

JPWREL

7:46 PM ET

November 18, 2009

Marshall was exercising his

Marshall was exercising his horse on the riding trails that existed at that time along the south shore of the Potomac, as he did every Sunday morning whenever he was in Washington. It was one of the few opportunities he had to get some exercise and free time by himself. And he deserved every second of that time.

 

STARBUCK

6:12 PM ET

November 18, 2009

Small wonder that the US

Small wonder that the US President who warned us about the corrupting influence of the military-industrial complex--so much so that he included it in his farewell address--was a former five-star general.

 

HUNTER

6:43 PM ET

November 18, 2009

Small wonder?

Actually Ike made an even clearer delineation...he call it the military-industrial-congressional complex (MICC). That C always gets left out for some reason? Hmmmm.

 

DUTCH OVEN

6:50 PM ET

November 18, 2009

General Marshall's Uniform

Could not help noticing that General Marshall looks more squared in his Army uniform from that era than do Army officers today. He almost looks like Marines always do. There are not so many patches,ribbons,bars, badges, etc. The cut, fit, and appearance of the uniform is good. He is not shown wearing a cover but as I recall it would not have been a beret made in China.

 

WATSON

7:51 PM ET

November 18, 2009

Public trust?

In the wake of the recent credit bubble and derivatives meltdown, it has been suggested that the financial sector should be managed as a public utility.

That’s a concept which might also be applied to military production and procurement.

 

JPWREL

7:54 PM ET

November 18, 2009

General Marshall was the

General Marshall was the greatest administrator the armed forces ever had. He was honorable (in a era when that meant something) incorruptible, a task master, intolerant of fools, apolitical and actually knew how to manage Admiral King. He was by every definition the perfect staff officer.

Fortunately, some of his wild schemes like Operation Sledgehammer (a landing in France in 1942 which would have been a blunder of colossal and bloody proportions) or his scheme to land the American Airborne Corps outside of Paris in the summer of 1944 where it would be immobile and totally out gunned never came to fruition.

 

TOM RICKS

8:30 PM ET

November 18, 2009

I find this a mite too glib

I'm a Marshall fan, but I find this a bit too glib.

Yes, you are historically accurate about Marshall's advocacy of an early invasion of Europe and his airborne ideas. But anyone fighting a war is going to have ideas that in retrospect don't look so good. I think Winston Churchill was a great man--along with Orwell perhaps the greatest of the 20th century--but he came up with lots of wacky schemes.

Oddly, you didn't mention what I think was Marshall's biggest mistake, his vigorous and sustained opposition to the invason of North Africa.

Andrew Krepinveich mades the good point that the Allied effort had in the making of its strategy the advantage of having four major voices--Churchill, Brooke, Roosevelt, and Marshall. If one of them had a wacky idea, the other three could stop it. Even a 2-2 deadlock would tend to stop it. The Germans, on the one hand, had only one voice when it came to making major strategic decisions, and he made some whoppers.

Best,
Tom

 

JPWREL

9:06 PM ET

November 18, 2009

Tom, like you I am a Marshall

Tom, like you I am a Marshall fan and I think a lot of contemporary officers would be well served to go back and read up on this extraordinary soldier and learn what a true man of character is all about. As you point out his opposition to the landing in North Africa was a major mistake but it was a mistake shared by almost all of the U. S. Army’s officer corps. Roosevelt understood the imperative of getting new American forces engaged in battle with the Wehrmacht but also done in a manner in which would play to allied advantages rather than German.

I also agree that Churchill made many egregious errors of judgment usually right off the cuff than any other major allied leader but of course he also had his moments of genius. Churchill was generally right about strategy until the early autumn of 1943 when the American point of view became more practical.

One of the amazing things about Marshall was his constant underestimation of the German capacity to resist and what a horrific blood bath would have accrued if allied forces made a premature major landing in France without first achieving absolute air superiority. Churchill and the RAF air chief’s particularly Tedder were right on the money on that issue and fortunately stuck to their guns.

Tom, I don’t think I was glib in pointing out some problems with Marshall. He was only human and even Washington, Lee and Grant made some bad judgment calls every now and then, but it did not diminish their reputations as superlative officers and leaders. Anyone who could manage MacArthur and King with the deftness of George Marshall gets a salute from me.

 

TOM RICKS

9:10 PM ET

November 18, 2009

Megadittoes

We're on the same page.
Thanks,
Tom

 

RPM

2:34 AM ET

November 19, 2009

Marshall's greatest contribution

Between the wars, at both Leavenworth and Benning, Marshall trained and evaluated a generation of army leaders. As the army expanded exponentially in 1941 he was allowed the latitude to fire and promote almost at will. The army's relative success in direct combat was almost entirely the result of Marshall's evaluations of captains and majors in the 1930s, unrewarded work that took place in peacetime in a nation that ignored its military in the depths of economic depression.

 

RUBBER DUCKY

6:14 PM ET

November 19, 2009

Charlie Lockwood

I give you VADM Charles A. Lockwood as another great administrator.

In WW-II he ran the submarine war in the Pacific, with brilliant results from the most hostile environment imaginable. Balanced, approachable, aggressive, nurturing, he got the most from his boats and his submariners, who, as a group, suffered a higher fatality rate than any other branch of the military.

16% of the officers and 13% of the enlisted men who made a war patrol were lost. This is the full record: During the Second World War, submarines comprised less than 2 percent of the U.S. Navy, but sank over 30 percent of Japan's navy, including eight aircraft carriers. More important, American submarines contributed to the virtual strangling of the Japanese economy by sinking almost five million tons of shipping—over 60 percent of the Japanese merchant marine. Victory at sea did not come cheaply. The Submarine Force lost 52 boats and 3,506 men.

 

TOM RICKS

1:20 AM ET

November 20, 2009

Yep

RD--
I read a reference to him last night in Pogue's 1942-45 volume of his gigantic Marshall biography, saying that Lockwood was perhaps the least remembered senior officer in the Pacific War. I'll admit that until that point, I don't think I'd ever heard of him.
Thanks,
Tom

 

RUBBER DUCKY

1:35 AM ET

November 20, 2009

"Silent Victory"

"Silent Victory," by Clay Blair jr. it's all there. Back in print.

And whadya expect? Silent Service.

 

RUBBER DUCKY

9:04 PM ET

November 18, 2009

Conflict sensitivity

A reason that retiring flags are so tone deaf to conflicts of interest is that they were not raised in a major for-profit corporation. The ethics required in the typical Fortune 500 company are generally equal to or superior to those found in the military, and these companies are more sensitive to obvious conflicts than the typical flag.

I've been both places. In the military, that which is not illegal is generally OK. In the private sector, that which reflects badly on the corporation is dangerous and untoward antics that get the company above the fold on the front of the WSJ are fatal.

Federal Acquisition Regulations (the FAR) proscribe not only direct conflicts but also the appearance of conflict. That standard applies to any company doing business with the government and that describes most major corporations in America.

Exceptions? Bad examples? Sure. They validate the old saw that exceptions proof the rule - you read about them because they are abhorrent, not because they are common.

 

JASON SIGGER

3:25 PM ET

November 19, 2009

hear, hear!

So good to hear the voice of sanity among the nervous grumbling... The rules are in fact in place, the process is transparent, and while I am confident that having a knowledgeable 3 or 4-star on the board of directors is an advantage to a defense firm, it is far from guaranteeing any move by the govt to favor that firm. Only means the firm can (possibly) put together a good proposal.

The first USA Today article was somewhat balanced, if not for its sensationalistic title. Lots of generals/admirals who are cashing on on a career of military successes, and more good on them. That's what the free market is about, that's what retired GOFOs are eligible to do if they want. Let's move on.

 

DIPLOMATICHSTORIAN

2:28 AM ET

November 20, 2009

That may be what the free

That may be what the free market is all about, but this is about holding individuals who supposedly represent ideals of service to country to a higher standard than the pursuit of profit. After all, said individuals are collecting generous (and well-deserved) retirement benefits from the government. Double-dipping -- as in McKissock's case -- is unseemly, to say the least.

 

JPWREL

10:03 PM ET

November 18, 2009

Gen. Marshall's uniform

Interesting point about what I call the ‘Petraeus look’. Today generals and even admirals seem to wear decorations, ribbons, badges and other paraphernalia in inverse proportion to their combat and command experience and responsibility.

Marshall in the photograph looks professional, understated and no nonsense with his trim balanced uniform. Take a look at the egoist Gen. MacArthur (WW1, WW2, Korea) apparently satisfied with wearing merely his rank. Or look at Adm. Chester Nimitz (CINPAC in WW2 and then CNO) seemingly happiest with his rank, submarine service medal and a ribbon or two. Or Ike, wearing just about the absolute minimalist uniform even though he was Supreme Allied Commander of a formidable multi-national host in a global war.

There is something strange here where modern general officers manufacture uniform regulations patterned after the Boy Scouts or tin pot Latin American dictators rather than the tastes of their own distinguished forbearers.

 

IRR SOLDIER...

10:29 PM ET

November 18, 2009

On Balance, I'll take the "Petraeus" Look over the "Casey" look

Sure, GEN Petraeus has a lot of ribbons, but he does his utmost to "look the part" of a leader and General when the situation calls for it. He dresses impeccably for events with civilians and exudes a real sense of gravitas.

When I see GEN Petreaus wearing his Class As it inspires me to be better. He is that charismatic and has that kind of infectious impact on Company grade officers. To borrow a line from the NCO Corps, he is the epitome of "be, know, do."

Contrast that with GEN Casey's appearance when he wears ACUs to formal events, the World Series and even Capitol Hill (though not all the time). GEN Casey looks like a "rag bag" and his actions have an unstated message to the Army of: "don't ever dress up, don't wear the awards you earned, don't adhere to civilian norms of dress at official events." What galls me most about GEN Casey is that he doesn't see the powerful impact that his actions have on junior personnel. Every day that he decides not to wear his EIB and jump wings and every time he gives awards out in ACUs while the soldiers receiving them are in Class As, he reinforces the idea that these things (awards) don't matter very much. I'm sorry, but an E-4 just back from a year overseas should have no feeling of insecurity for wearing his CIB or campaign ribbons. As we all know there are very good reasons we give out these awards, but most tenets of organizational psychology are lost on GEN Casey and SMA Preston.

 

TYRTAIOS

11:10 PM ET

November 18, 2009

Uniform vs a Sack

If one starts with a sack, there isn't much that can be done with it, except to add a string to tie it up with, ala the Army uniform sans belt that was done away with years ago.

The Corps tested a beret in the 70's, and I was one of those chosen to wear one. It reminded me of fallen pizza dough over my brain housing group. My input was to opt for a ten gallon hat with snap-off brim to be used as a frisbie during free time, and hung between bunks aboard ship as a laundry hamper. I also saw merit in its ability to hold an ice'd down six pack inside at field meet parties as well - alas, like many of my ideas it wasn't adopted. :)

 

OLDPILOT

10:11 PM ET

November 18, 2009

Generals with stuff on their chests

Nota bene the paltry ribbons on Marshall's chest. Now look at the chest (and indeed the entire torso) of Messrs Petraeus, Ordiorno, whoever and wherever. Heck, I'll bet Major Nidal Hassan in dress uniform would have qualified for more spinach than Marshall or Eisenhower in their five-star days.

Worse, as best I can determine, most of it is phony. Gen Petraeus wears the Combat Action Badge (as the Combat Infantryman Badge is now sadly called), an Airborne assault badge, and a divisional patch on his right shoulder, supposedly denoting service with that division in combat. He was the commanding general. Has an American general actually been in combat since 1945?

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

 

RETIRED MARINE

1:40 AM ET

November 19, 2009

Admiral Nimitz is also a good example for today

First, another good example of a citizen-soldier worth following in retirement is Admiral Nimitz. According to E.B. Potter, in his biography of Admiral Nimitz, the admiral eschewed many opportunities to join the defense industry after WWII and relied on other employment, savings and his relatively modest pension in order to avoid any hit of compromising his relationship with the military. His friend, Admiral Halsey, did not husband his money as well on active duty and was helped by Nimitz in obtaining lucrative defense-related work. I do not know if Admiral Halsey was ever viewed as having compromised his relationship with the military.

Second, as a former aide de camp, I can personally attest to the signficant effor that at least the commanding general I worked for go to avoid ethical

 

BILL KELLER

3:26 AM ET

November 19, 2009

Is a general officer rank a career stepping stone...

Frame it, you are 50-55, your pay is equal to that a Harvard or Yale law graduate working as an associate. You haven't been exposed to derivatives, hedge funds, portfolios, spreadsheets. You can neither deliver a vote nor hold the franchise to give out patronage. You have traveled so much that the kids grew and went; and, the wife long ago set up home back in the seed land where you first met.

So what is your asset going forward. What is going to give you the cash flow so you can avoid dealing only with the greeters at Wal-Mart for all you needs?

Military career is now an incomplete life. You have to keep on earning to stay living at your former pay grade. So if you have the character with just half the greed of Goldman Sachs or Carlyle, you have to work the same part the vineyard of God you worked before over decades just on the other side.

You won't really get the big bucks; but, you will hold with the next year law associates.

Sorry, in the American mercantile economy where at the top sits the high end financial rent taker, the investment annuity receiver; the retired general becomes another entitlement cost if he or she has no offered asset for the rent taker to exploit.

Journalists or journeymen face the same challenges so don't throw the stones so hard.

 

KDVINER70

4:31 AM ET

November 19, 2009

Bewildered

It seems to me that the discussion about Flag Officers and how they look in their uniforms has missed the point of Mr. Ricks’ post and the article to which it refers. Let me put it more succinctly. A group of Flag Officers meets to determine who, out of the hundreds of O-6s eligible has demonstrated the necessary skills requisite to be promoted to one of their own, a Flag Officer. One would assume that those requisites included (among others) leadership, technical knowledge in their field, dedication to their mission, and dedication to those who serve below them in the chain of command.

So why does it seem odd that after these Flag Officers choose the “new” Flag officers, that the “new” Flag Officers feel it necessary to employ the retired “old” Flag Officers to mentor them and their organizations? If this is in fact true, the “old” Flag Officers should not have selected the eligible O-6s to become the “new” Flag Officers. They should have picked O-6s who were competent enough to do the jobs to which they would eventually be assigned.

I would add one other item. To me, the most offensive quote in the article was that attributed to Admiral Johnson who said, “With mentoring alone, ‘you can't make enough money.’" The average American’s household income is around $50,000. Admiral Johnson is making at least twice that in his military retirement income, another two times that in his board of directors income and yet he still feels it necessary to make even more money by “mentoring.”

Even if we forget the conflict of interest part of the argument, these Flag Officers are just plain greedy. I believe, given their retirement benefits, they should be doing any “mentoring” deemed necessary to ensure a skilled military force for free. By the way, if they need a place to stay they should stay in the BOQ (or whatever it is currently called).

And finally, retired Flag Officers should not be part of the "American mercantile economy." If they wanted to do that, they should have exited the military long before they were in the running to be Flag Officers.

My two cents from a retired Navy O-5.

 

TYRTAIOS

10:57 AM ET

November 19, 2009

Greed begets greed

I must agree whole-heartedly with you. Adm. Johnson's egregious remark was as crass as I've heard in some time - at least since President Bush mentioned he could hardly wait to get on the speaking circuit and make some money!

 

CMEYERGO

7:06 AM ET

November 19, 2009

Greed

Yes, I've heard some flag officers claim they deserve to cash in because of all the moves their families endured while in service. However, they are the ones who run this system of musical chairs. The military would be better off if senior officers served at least three years at each post, but they don't change the system.

I recall one four-star Army General excusing his kickbacks by claiming he needed to care for his family, which is the exact same excuse corrupt foreign Generals give when they are caught padding their income.

Yes, there is always some singer or athlete or law school grad with family connections that allow them to make a lot of money. Greedy officers like to use those as examples, rather than the average income of taxpayers. You never see a retired General become a CEO or any real corporate officer despite their paper qualifications, they only fill insider contact roles, what are called "fixers" in corrupt third world nations.

Go to www.bls.gov to discover that the average American with an advanced degree (like a Masters) earns around $65,000 a year, and go to www.defenselink.mil to discover that an E-9 can earn over $100,000 a year, excluding bonuses and special pays, and without contributing a cent toward his generous retirement plan. And that is a senior enlisted, not an officer. Very few pilots leave the military for lower paying airline jobs nowadays.

If I were in charge, I'd freeze military pay for a couple of years to save money for other areas. It would improve the service, because everyone is making more than twice as much as they could outside, so everyone is uptight, risk adverse, and back stabbing for promotion.

I'd prefer an underpaid military that was twice as big, was forced to allow for mistakes (NJP, Art. 15, DUIs) and retained people who love the military and have an interest in warfare. Today, most love the big money they make as one sees parking lots jammed with new cars near navy ships. 25 years of pay raises at twice the inflation rate was a good policy to buy votes, but has hurt our military and our national deficit.

Yes, many GIs suffer and work hard, but most work less than 40 hours a week, and much of work is getting a haircut, reading the paper, playing softball, surfing the net, and working out. I was part of that racket for years. In the Marines, almost everyone is off by 3pm on Fridays, plus at least a week of uncounted days off for Christmas, plus 30 days paid leave, 12 fed holidays, several days off for special long weekends. In contrast, the bls says the average American gets just 13 paid days off a year.

 

IRR SOLDIER...

1:55 PM ET

November 19, 2009

Great Post

CMeyergo,

God Bless you! That was one hell of a post. Those of us who have seen the inside of the current AVF system must continually sound the alarm for the civilians who have no first-hand knowledge of military pay and benefits. As the shared experience of military service further recedes from our collective national consciousness, someone must stand up and say that the "emporer has no clothes."

I am so tired of the hoary myths of the "underpaid" military. Those who try to advance those myths bend the truth and confuse the uninformed.

We are well into a thirty year project of creating a "warrior caste" that feels entitled to a special place in the social hierarchy and has lost all touch with the plight of its fellow Americans of similar educational attainment and socioeconomic standing.

 

BILL KELLER

11:36 AM ET

November 19, 2009

Admiral Johnson is the honest one...

as in China, the military when without capital ownership was just another seller of life's time, like a farmer, groundskeeper, service worker in the canteen, auto mechanic. Time has low financial value; integrity, no position on the trading floor, no access to the insider info desk. Babbitt was no general officer but had more lucrative option rights.

In China, the PLA owns capital and knows that Adam Smith was not the pie maker on the mess decks.

 

RUBBER DUCKY

3:48 PM ET

November 19, 2009

Either/or

It's either/or for these flags: either work for industry or work for the government. This cries out for law and regulation lest the flags - unable to discern simple conflict of interest - find they have earned the same comment made by John Randolph's in describing Henry Clay:

"He is a man of splendid abilities but utterly corrupt. He shines and stinks like rotten mackerel by moonlight."

 

HUNTER

4:27 PM ET

November 19, 2009

I think it is both funny and sad...

...that much of this conversation (and a previous post) has been dedicated to uniforms. C'mon.

I don't care what these guys wear as long as they are proficient at their job. Petraeus gets a bye for that one (he's been thus far successful), Casey not so much (also not successful).

When we argue about ribbons and ASUs and ACUs we are re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. I like the fact that the Army is consolidating uniforms to nominally save money and save soldier time. Maintaining multiple sets of uniforms takes plenty of time, money and energy better spent on other things. I don't necessarily like their choices - but that's life in the service.

Whining about tabs, and heritage is silly. The Marines wear very little on their uniforms and they seem to be able to their job fine. Many division patches are going away in favor of BCTs. There is a good argument that the ASU blue uniform is more in line with the Army heritage; in any case it is better than that lame civilian business suit Green. (Ok the Class B is bus driver goofy, oh well - its green equivalent ain't much better). In the end the only constant is change, every choice comes with compromises, advantages and disadvantages.

Finally, no one is obligated to wear all of their medals - it's in the regulations. The only place you are 'sort of' obligated to do so is in a DA photo. Generals have particular flexibility in constructing their uniform, although none have gone so far (like good old George Patton) in recent memory.

But isn't there more important matters to discuss - like the original Tom Ricks post about money matters?

 

IRR SOLDIER...

5:21 PM ET

November 19, 2009

Not surprisingly, I disagree ....

As an officer who depends on your Senior Leders' ability to present a competent image and advocate for funding, endstrength and resources, I certainly hope that you would care about how they are perceived. If Senior Leadership is cowed, outmaneuvered at every term or commonly viewed as buffoons (see Schoomaker, Peter and Cody, Richard) the second and third order effects of their inability to advocate for their service will eventually trickle down to even the Company level.

If you believe this is about "saving money and time", I don't know what to say. All of the other services are still maintaining at least 3 uniforms. If money and time were the issue, the USMC would be leading the charge. Instead, they now issue dress blues along with service uniforms to boot camp grads.

The USMC is a very different culture. Since they are small, the very idea of wearing a USMC uniform with globe and anchor brings cohesion. The Army is very large and historically, our branches and units have been the core of cohesion - not the larger Army. It's why so many folks have "Infantry" or "1st CAV" stickers on their car - it's where we draw our esprit from. No matter how hard you try, you cannot build USMC-style service level esprit between an RA 11B3V and a USAR laundry and bath specialist. Even if you could, why would you even want to try?

The historical justifications for the ASU are tortured and IMHO, quite weak. For starters, over half our battle streamers were earned by any Army that never wore a blue uniform - ever - not even to a dining in. Second, doesn't it make more sense to build a strong sense of service identity around WWIII, Korea, Vietnam, etc. You know, conflicts that there are still living veterans from? Unit patches are a big deal. They are our link to the past and the touchstone of our identity.

I find your criticism of the cut of the Class A as a "lame business suit" utterly bizarre - especially when one considers that the ASU coat is the exact same design. If you want lame, look at the ASU Class B variant - it gets the "mall cop" features down to the perma-military creases sewn in.

You say: "In the end the only constant is change, every choice comes with compromises, advantages and disadvantages." The irony here is that there never was any compromise or discussion of advantages and disadvantages with the ASU. It was pretty much a decree from GEN Schoomaker and SMA Preston that has attracted near universal scorn and derision. That is a fact and the Army Times and Army Magazine are replete with commentary from Privates to Colonels stating this - with names attached. Sadly, GEN Casey views the role of Army Chief as infallible and the foolish decisions of previous Chiefs as irreversible.

Yes, there are indeed important matters to discuss. The effectiveness of our Army leadership to advocate on the service's behalf is one of them. Everything flows from the success or failure yielded on the field of battle known as the beltway.

 

HUNTER

7:36 PM ET

November 19, 2009

Pinks and Greens

We would all rather have those. But we don't.

I don't know how much vetting the ASU had - and neither do you. But I stand by my assessment that it really don't [sic] matter what these guys are wearing. Casey doesn't look any better or worse in an ugly green suit than he does in his Blues.

Personally, I think the airforce blue uniform is really stupid and they all look like goofball airline pilots, and the Navy bellbottom dungarees and Gilligan saucer hats are equally dumb and misplaced. But my opinon - and yours - don't really matter.

I think you will find very few joes out there that really care about historical lineages as well. Most of them don't know the first thing about the lineage, and wouldn't care if they did. The esprit de corp that matters is the esprit they build together as a proficient unit. That's what Marines like too - it ain't because those high collars are comfy. Regardless the move to BCT patches means most of those old lineages are fading to the background.

Here's one you can support - the beret is shitty headgear. Why? It doesn't look good on lots of people (usually a training issue) and MOST OF ALL it takes two hands to put on. Dumb. But that is a functional reason, not just an appearance one. But you don't hear much bitching about it anymore. Sometimes change is so hard!

But people, like Rangers whining about their black berets, at the expense of more serious problems are wasting everybodies time. At least the ASU decision had some functional reasons behind it - instead of the beret which was nominally to signal TRANSFORMATION.

Tomato, tomahto...in ten years time of wearing the ASU someone will be bitching about the next uniform change. At least you don't have to buy much new. Salute and drive on.

 

JEFF HUBER

5:46 PM ET

November 19, 2009

Well...

Tom, I have to confess, I'm agreement with you on this topic.

 

TOM RICKS

1:22 AM ET

November 20, 2009

Even a stopped clock

I know how it feels--I was stunned when Cheney and I seemed to agree on Pesident Obama's dithering on Afghanistan. Made me re-consider my whole position.
Cheers,
Tom

 

PETE

7:54 PM ET

November 19, 2009

Beltway Bandits

I worked for many years as a "Beltway Bandit," as DoD-oriented consulting firms that employ former officers in the Washington area are called. My job wasn't to advise the Army on what it should do in its materiel development programs, but rather to ghostwrite documents that by DoD directives and Army regulations are supposed to be prepared by military program management offices. I wrote integrated program summaries (a type of decision document), acquisition strategies, logistics plans, and the like. These should be prepared by Army officers or civil servants within DoD, but because of fat support contracts the work is farmed out to consulting firms.

Two things ought to happen if accountabity is to be restored to the system. First, the DoD and military services should stop producing directives that require the writing of an amount of studies, analyses and documentation in excess of their own internal capability to prepare. Second, military personnel and DoD civilians in positions that involve the preparation of documents required by DoD and service regulations should write them themselves or be compelled to find employment elsewhere.

 

JEFF HUBER

8:38 PM ET

November 19, 2009

Another note...

I hold Chester Nimitz in the same regard as Marshall. He didn't squawk when MacArthur took credit for his victory in the Pacific, and he too refused to make an issue out of the commanders he had to can.

J

 

CMEYERGO

10:10 PM ET

November 19, 2009

The solution to much of this

The solution to much of this is keep all Generals in uniform until age 62, as explained here.
http://www.g2mil.com/tenured.htm

As part of that concept, when a Colonel accepts promotion to one-star, he also commits to service until age 70, although is normally transferred to the inactive reserves at age 62, sometimes sooner. If he is needed again, like for a major war, he is reactivated. Meanwhile, he is still on the books as a reserve officer, so that will block him from working for corporations that conduct business with DoD.

 

CORY

8:39 AM ET

November 20, 2009

why do serious army debates

why do serious army debates always seem to boil down to opinions on fashion?

having seen a bit of this mentorship program at first hand while working on exercises with 1AD in Germany in 2005/2006 (CG MG Fred Robinson, mentor retired LTG Crouch), i think the biggest problem is this: essentially, these retired generals are a shadow chain of command, and still play the decisive role in who gets what rank and what job. it's a system of spoils, so of course they are going to get in order to give. i dont have a solution, but its clear that if you want to change this system of massive conflicts of interest, this shadow chain of command needs to be stopped. and i do think that the retired generals essentially do not think of this as a conflict of interest issue because they feel that whatever they do is in the best interests of the army, whether or not it benefits them, and it often does...

 

KENDILANIAN

3:59 PM ET

November 20, 2009

Call for tips

Folks, I'm one of the USA Today reporters on the story. We're very interested in hearing from anyone who has firsthand information about retired officers, particularly mentors, representing companies before the Pentagon. Particularly on procurement matters. You can reach me at kdilanian@usatoday.com Thanks.

 

PETE

8:47 PM ET

November 20, 2009

Private Military Contractors

See if you can arrange an interview with a senior person at MPRI, Inc., a division of L-3 Communications. MPRI was founded as Military Professional Resources Inc. and for years has employed many retired generals and field-grade officers. An interview with a person from MPRI will not reveal any dramatic cases of unethical behavior but it will provide an understanding of how the revolving door between DoD and the defense industry works. The MPRI website is http://www.mpri.com/esite/ and there is an online Wikipedia article about the comany.

 

RUBBER DUCKY

9:15 PM ET

November 20, 2009

Source...

Talk to John Lehman...

 

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Thomas E. Ricks covered the U.S. military for the Washington Post from 2000 through 2008.

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