Anbar: the high cost of living

Posted By Thomas E. Ricks Share

I often find RAND Corp. reports mediocre, usually just telling the military establishment what it wants to hear. But a new one that surveys the population of Iraq's al Anbar province caught my eye. It notes, among other things, that 40 percent of 20 year olds have lost their fathers. "The coming of age of large numbers of fatherless young men in a society that puts a premium on revenge is a highly worrisome development for a region emerging from civil war," it warns. Even worse, nearly half of all households reporting losing at least one member to violence. 

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WATSON

8:46 PM ET

October 28, 2009

Hearts and minds

The US re-took Fallujah in al Anbar province by using pretty much the same approach that Russia used to re-take Grozny in Chechnya, i.e. by unleashing enough ordnance to "make the rubble bounce”.

I’m not suggesting that the military acted irrationally in either case, rather that there are definite limits to the use of military force as an instrument for achieving foreign policy objectives.

The Russians could arguably maintain that they were reclaiming their turf; the Americans are hard-pressed to avoid the foreigner/invader/occupier/Crusader label.

 

KUNINO

12:40 AM ET

October 29, 2009

Costs

One of the startling facts of the war against terror as fought to date is the broad refusal to look at costs. From time to time, war critics offer estimates that first reached the trillions five years or so ago: officials see no reason to respond with accurate, official, frequently updated figures.

Remember when Johns Hopkins and the medical magazine, The Lancet, two of the most respected sources in the world, came up with a millioin-plus estimate of Iraqi lives lost to that point? Not a nine-day wonder, not even a two-day one. Bush said with details he'd heard the survey methodology was suspect and everybody shut up pronto.

Similarly, patriotic folks from time to time claim the total death toll of the Vietnam war was 58,000. The real figure: two million-plus.

Folks in other nations don't have such short memories. The 1997 raid on the Tehran embassy and Iranian attitudes in this decade right up to 2009 continue to be formed by unhappy memories of the CIA unhorsing of the Mossadeq government in the mid-1950s. This however continues to be listed among the CIA's greatest hits.

Making enemies never seems good foreign policy. The suggestion that such occurs to help US corporations make a buck over the fairly short term no longer seems the crackpot leftwing idea it was generally dismissed as a generation ago.

 

DEVELOPMENT GIRL

1:15 AM ET

October 29, 2009

Though it is not the first

Though it is not the first generation of children growing up without a father:
France and Germany after the WWI for example, and entire Canadian villages after WWII.

As an aside to your comment about Rand: Didn't Kubrick call it the "Bland Corp."?

 

JWING

1:22 AM ET

October 29, 2009

Lancet Study Has Been Discredited

That Lancet Study has been widely discredited. The researchers refuse to answer basic questions about their research and won't share their work with others. Most of the major groups that follow Iraqi deaths estimate just over 100,000 Iraqis have died since the U.S. invasion. In comparison, Saddam killed about 200,000-300,000 in his Anfal campaign against the Kurds and his suppressing of the Shiite uprising after the Gulf War.

 

TYRTAIOS

12:50 PM ET

October 29, 2009

You would hold Saddam Hussein

You would hold Saddam Hussein up as the measuring stick as to what is acceptable for civilian death?

Whether the numbers are accurate or not, the law of land warfare states that when you invade and topple a country's government you are responsible for its security and administration.

We failed at that, albeit, for a number of reasons - but failed never-the-less. Shame on us.

 

CONCERNED

10:21 PM ET

October 29, 2009

Iraq

I believe that there is plenty disagreement as to whether or not we have failed in Iraq. I feel that if there was failure it was failure to understand the sort of society that we were getting involved in. We expected those of that part of the world to welcome the opportunity to be free of a person like Saddam which is only partly true. It appears that there is still a presence there with the same mentality as Saddam, a quest for power over the lives of the people of the country. A desire to force everyone in the country to accept their version of Islam. Power to keep the country in an uproar and try to enforce their beliefs on everyone. Power do keep them under control and not allow them the opportunity to live in a "freer" society than they had lived in previously. Will the people of Iraq ever obtain the freedom that they desire? If the current conditions are any indication probably not, but in the final chapter it is their decision to grasp the freedom to chose not ours.

 

BPB1979

6:26 PM ET

October 29, 2009

RAND

I've not read much of their COIN research, but RAND has done excellent work with counterterrorism analysis. There's a reason CIA swiped Bruce Hoffman to be their scholar in residence a couple years back.

 

KUNINO

11:09 PM ET

October 29, 2009

Failure? Success?

People taking either side of the argument are expressing more than their hopes or prejudices. There can be only one test of how successful or otherwise the Iraq war has been, and it's what happens after the US has gone home. The eagerness of sundry official layers of the US government to stay there effectively forever suggests they're far from eager to face that test. Ever.

 

Thomas E. Ricks covered the U.S. military for the Washington Post from 2000 through 2008.

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