The battle of COP Keating: an earwitness account

Sat, 10/10/2009 - 11:09am

Here, passed along by retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey, is an account of the recent battle in Nuristan in which eight American soldiers were killed.

Here are the facts, without revealing sensitive information. I feel compelled to write this because I heard some very fine, brave Americans foght for their very lives Saturday, 03 OCT 09. They fought magnificently.

Eight of them made the Ultimate Sacrifice. I don't know their names, only their call signs. Though it may have been smaller in scale, and shorter in duration, their battle was no less heroic than the exploits of their ancestors, in places like LZ Xray or Fire Base Ripcord in Vietnam. I want people to know that there are still some GREAT Americans who serve in the US Army, fighting for Freedom, who will probably never be given the due they deserve. I don't know ALL the facts, only what I overheard on the satellite radio.

COP Keating was (past tense) located on low ground, near a river, surrounded by mountains - a poor place to have to defend to begin with. The village of Kamdesh was nearby, as was a mosque. About two platoons and a cavalry troop headquarters occupied the COP - Combat Outpost. If you Google COP Keating, you will find a Washington Times article describing the austere conditions there, written earlier this year. I was on duty from 0600-1800 (6 a.m. until 6 p.m.) on Saturday, 03 OCT 09, and heard, first-hand, the events I am about to recount transpire. I took notes as the battle unfolded.

Things were relatively quiet when I came on shift at 0600. Not too long afterward, I heard a call sign describing taking small arms fire at his position. (That in itself is not alarming - I hear that frequently because I hear satellite radio transmissions from all sorts of units who operate in Nangahar, Kunar, Laghman (where I am) and in Nuristan Provinces, where this happened.) The situation, then began to deteriorate. The Troop Commander - urgently - requested rotary wing gunships to support him. He was told they were 45 minutes away, and that he should use his 120 mm mortars. He replied that the mortar pit was pinned down, and that the could not employ his 120 mm mortars. I did not know until I saw an aerial photo later that day, after I got off shift, that the COP was located in a "bowl," surrounded on nearly all sides by high ground. The insurgents were shooting down into the mortar pit from above. The 120 mm mortars from OP Fritshe, a few kilometers away were able to help a little, but it was not enough. Not too long after the fight started, the Troop Commander said that he had a KIA, and several wounded.

Uh-Oh - now this is getting serious. Not too much longer after that, the Troop Commander, in a voice that was not panic'd, but which had a sense of urgency said, "We've got people inside our wire!!!" He said that he had lost communications with some of his elements at different places on the COP. He had had to abandon his Tactical Operations Center (TOC) and all the various means of redundant communications there (MIRC Chat, Blue Force Tracker, tactical FM radios, etc.) His only means of communication was the satellite radio he was using. He said he urgently needed air support. The number of KIA began to climb.

He kept asking about the helicopters - his higher headquarters said they were "30 minutes out..." He said that if he did not get help soon, they were going to be overrun. He had consolidated the Soldiers he had, to include dead and wounded, in a tight perimeter on part of his COP. He advised that the Afghan National Army (ANA) side of the COP was completely overrun and was on fire. The insurgents had gotten into his perimeter where the ANA latrine bordered his perimeter, after they had overrun the ANA camp. His Entry Control Point (ECP) where some Afghan Security Guards (ASG) had been had been overrun.

The ANP Police Checkpoint had been overrun and he was taking a heavy volume of fire from that. He was taking a lot of RPG fire from the mosque. His Ammunition Supply Point (ASP) was under insurgent control. He kept asking about the helicopters.He was told, "Passing Checkpoint 12..." He said, "I'm telling you that if they don't get here f***in' soon, we're all going to f***in' die!!!" Shortly after that, his Squadron Commander came up on the radio and told him that he was going to be OK, that help was on the way. The SCO said that he needed to come up on FM and talk to the helicopters, who should be ariving very soon. The Troop Commander said that the Harris was all he had at the moment, and asked that the Squadron relay. It was, obviously, a very anxious time. I was afraid that at any moment, the Troop commander would just stop transmitting, and that would mean that they were likely all dead and dying. Someone asked the Troop commander what his target priorities were, and he said that "anything outside the wire" was controlled by bad guys. He mentioned that he needed gun runs at a particular wall, and mentioned certain Target Reference Points (TRP's) such as "the putting green" and "the diving board." Finally, the helicopters arrived and began killing insurgents. It became clear, however, that it was such a target-rich environment that much more air support was needed. The helicopters gave the defenders enough breathing room to better position themselves, reload, etc. Under the umbrella of the gunships, the Troop Commander said that he was going to try to re-take some of his camp. The SCO calmly encouraged him to "fire and maneuver." As they regained some lost ground, the Troop Commander said that he was finding some of his unaccounted for Soldiers, and that they were KIA. He gave their battle roster numbers. Things were looking better, but it was still a fierce fight. I could hear a cacophony of machine gun fire when the Troop Commander keyed that microphone to talk. The mortars were still pinned won, with one KIA and wounded in the mortar pit. After only a short time, gunships had to leave to rearm and refuel, heading to FOB Bostic. (FOB Bostic was hit with indirect fire, also, throughout the day.) The weather in the high passes interfered with the helicopters. Close Air Support in the form of jets were on the way, and the Troop Commander was asked to provide Target Numbers, which he did. He was still being pressed on all sides, still taking a heavy volume of small arms fire and RPG's. He had regained some buildings, but had not been able to re-capture all his perimeter. He found at least one MBITR and was able to communicate with aircraft a little better.

Once the jets arrived overhead, they began to drop bombs on the masses, the swarms of insurgents. Usually, the insurgents conduct a raid at dawn, do their damage, and flee. Not this day. I looked at my watch, and it was after 1000 and the insurgents were still attacking, even though it should have become clear to them after the close air arrived that they could no longer hope to completely overrun the camp. The Close Air was on station continuously after that, and as soon as one plane dropped its bombs and strafed, another came down to hit targets - some very close to camp. The mosque was hit by a Hellfire, and open source now reports that a high profile insurgent named Dost Mohammad was killed there. A target described as a "switchback" was bombed repeatedly and the insurgents seemed to simply re-occupy it only to be bombed out of it again. (Several pieces of weapons and equipment has since been found there.) The "North Face" was also repeatedly bombed and strafed.

A plan was developed to get reinforcements to COP Keating. Because it was still "too hot" to land helicopters, they were flown to OP Fritshe and had to walk to COP Keating. Asked about his ammunition (Class 5) at about 1300, the Troop commander said that he was "red" on 7.62 link and MK19 ammunition. Not too long after that, he stated that he was "black" (supply exhausted) on 7.62, but still had a lot of .50 caliber. More KIA were found, and the Troop Commander said that they were missing their sensitive items (weapons, night vision, MBITR radios - things like that.) The KIA number rose to 5. There were constant updates on a particular wounded Soldier who had a broken leg and a crushed pelvis. They said that he had lost a lot of blood, but was on an IV, and was "hanging in there." The Troop Commander said that he had two ANA KIA, and several wounded, still with him. He said that a lot of the ANA - about 12 - had broken and run when the COP began to be overrun. (Some of their bodies were found nearby the next day, along with some ASG who were wounded.) The Troop Commander said that the insurgents had made off with the ANA's B-10 Rocket Launcher. Throughout the day, the air support targeted a B-10 launch site, but it was unclear if it was the same system that the ANA had lost of not.

The SCO got on the net and said that there was a plan to bring in a CH-47 Chinook as soon as it got dark, with attack helicopters overhead, and that they would bring in ammo and Soldiers and evacuate the wounded and dead. The SCO said that he would fly in, also. During the battle, the SCO always seemed calm and gave a lot of encouragement to the Troop Commander on the ground. He asked for updates (Situation Reports - "SITREPS") but he did not nag the Troop Commander for it every 5 minutes. He let the Troop Commander fight the fight, frequently asking him what he needed and asking him how he and his Soldiers were doing, offering encouragement, but not micromanaging.

The fighting continued all day, even though it was not as intense as it had been in the early morning. As the relief column approached from OP Fritshe, it got into a brief fight, quickly killing two insurgents and capturing their ICOM radios and RPG's. Then, they continued on toward COP Keating. The fire that had completely leveled the ANA side of the COP was spreading from building to building, and was setting the COP on fire. The Troop Commander and his Soldiers had to evacuate their TOC again, because it caught on fire.

Many of the barracks buildings caught on fire and burned, taking the Soldiers' possessions with them. Only one or two buildings were left by the time it was over. As night approached, the Troop Commander told someone (S-3? FSO?) that if the air cover were lost, and if they were attacked again, they were "done." The Troop Commander was assured that he would have adequate air support. The CSM came up on the net and asked the Troop Commander to try to expand his perimeter in order to try to get accountability of everyone. The Troop Commander said that he "just can't do it, I just don't have enough people. I have too many wounded." The CSM said that he understood, but that he was looking at a cold body on the Predator feed near the maintenance building, and thought that that might be the final missing soldier. (It was later determined that that was not him.) The Troop Commander said that there were "a lot" of dead insurgents lying dead inside his perimeter, and he could be seeing one of those.

I went off shift at 1800. At that time, there were 6 US KIA, and one missing, later found and determined to be KIA. I do not know where the 8th KIA came from: either one of the wounded died, or earlier there was a mistake in regard to accountability.

The next day (Sunday, 4 OCT) when I came to work, I learned that they had found the unaccounted-for Soldier(s) and had made it through the night. During the late morning, the SCO came up on the net and briefed someone about the situation. He said that of five (5) HMMWV's, only one was still running. They had counted eight (8) RPG impacts on one HMMWV alone. He said that the HMMWV's were shot all to pieces. The camp Bobcat had a window shot out, but was still running, and they were still using it to move things.

There was a lot of UXO's (unexploded ordnance) that made the area hazardous, such as unexploded US mortar rounds that had been scattered, as well as AT-4's and Javelin's. Most of the Soldiers on the COP had lost all their possessions except for what they were wearing. A plan was already being developed to get them new TA-50, uniforms, boots, toiletries, etc. once they were extracted. There were a lot of sensitive items that needed to be lifted out, because they are serial numbered items that needed to be accounted for, but most everything was ruined. They discussed whether to insert engineers with a lot of explosive to blow everything up, or whether to call in air strikes after everyone was evacuated and try to destroy what was left that way. Even at this point, they were still taking the occasional odd, angry shot or rocket fire. As I type this, I am still listening to the folks who are left at COP Keating, figuring out what to destroy, how best to destroy it (demo vs. aerial bombs or rockets) what to fly out, and making a plan on how best to get that done so they can abandon and close the COP.

U.S. Army photo by Sgt. Amber Robinson via Flickr

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Powerful and intense

Intense. That's real stuff.

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Is that a picture of COP Keating? If so, who the hell designed that LZ? Straight-down helicopter landings?

Can anyone tell me why we are apparently putting patrol bases at the base of cliffs and on the low ground? Are they closer to the villages?

Yep, that's Keating

Yes, that is Keating, but I think the photo is a couple of years old. Here's the url:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/soldiersmediacenter/438641194/

Best,
Tom

Pic

Back in pre-historic times (about 50 years ago, when I was a young infantryman, we were always told to take the high ground. People pointed to the fall of Dien Bien Phu (does anyone remember that?) as an example of what happens when you don't. Have they stopped teaching that? Why were they in a bowl?

Altitude Restriction

Forgive me if someone already offered this as a reason behind why the highest ground wasn't secured for the COP. I heard some of the altitude restriction of 10k ft for fixed rotary... being AF its possible to reach elevations beyond 10k, but not sure of Keating was in such a place. The picture looks like its possible though.

While the positioning of the

While the positioning of the base seems terrible (correctly noted by Starbuck), it's seem a tragedy to have invested so much into the COP (lives, equipment, time, dollar, etc.) only to abandon it. It's seem counterproductive to COIN for us to establish COP's, face a tough firefight and then collapse the COP. Should it be closed and positioned better? Yes, but COIN says the population needs to believe we will be there after they turn on the insurgency, so whatever headway these soldiers may have made with the local population has been undone.

Incompetence

Anyone care to comment on the obvious incompetence:

"COP Keating was (past tense) located on low ground, near a river, surrounded by mountains - a poor place to have to defend to begin with. The village of Kamdesh was nearby, as was a mosque."

Elsewhere I read that the nearby mountains were steep and overlooked the camp. And you don't want to locate near a village because bad guys can use it as a safe observation post, and quietly mass among the civilians for an attack. Snipers can fire from the village, but responding with heavy firepower is complex because of the civilians.

Yes, I'm second guessing, but note the Army was leaving the camp for these reasons. So what General is responsible for this screw up? Who was relieved?

A great, great Vietnam war movie has the exact same plot, "Go Tell the Spartans" with Burt Lancaster.

You're kidding, rigtht?

So what General is responsible for this screw up? Who was relieved?

A Navy skipper who runs a ship aground is automatically relieved, but an Army general who misplaces a COP, resulting in heavy casualties and the outpost being nearly overrun? Probably not.

It must come from below

because it probably won't come from above.
Once when I was Army I preferred court-martial charges against a superior officer (0-6) based on two counts of misconduct. An investigating officer (of the same branch and grade as the charged officer) was appointed and the charges were "investigated" and (of course) found to be baseless. Okay, you say, waste of time. But I was transferred out to a better assignment and I'm sure the officer suffered from the ignominy. So I give the Army credit -- the system can work, but it's the ranks who must force it to work. It probably won't come from above. The Army is not like the Navy, it has a culture of non-responsibility, and when push comes to shove they'll blame it on Pfc Lynndie England or someone similar if they have a chance.

Untenable postion

It is my understanding no U.S. Soldiers had ever been invited into the village nor tried to enter. I won't comment on the tactical layout as concerns the terrain - that speaks for itself.

Further, I've read some information by several familiar with this area in the past, that said the local population is resistant to outsiders - period? Did anyone think of asking the elders what they thought of having an American presence along with some outsider Afghan Army near their village? As an example: the Marine Corps' Combined Action Platoon compounds were chosen to be located in villages that wanted them, in I Corps Vietnam!

In my first early tour(s) in Vietnam we would occasionally come across small "pill box" type concrete bunkers, scorched and laying askew above ground out in indian country.

I pity the poor French that had been put out there with little ability to patrol in force; probably with the idea they could be part of an interdiction pattern, only to find the Vietminh tunneled under and blew them up - it's called being put in an untenable position!

It would seem whatever the original intent had been for establishing these two combat outposts, whether to interdict or proceed with COIN, neither was being achieved.

So what was the purpose of continuing to man these outposts - to show we could? Apparently, it showed we can't, and that will become a propaganda coup for the Taliban.

FM 3-24 says nothing

about combat outposts, putting people out in Indian territory. Rather, it emphasizes the "inkspot" concept:

Operations should be initiated from the HN [host nation] government’s areas of strength against areas under insurgent control. The host nation must retain or regain control of the major population centers to stabilize the situation, secure the government’s support base, and maintain the government’s legitimacy.

And that HN area of strength would be where? And why wasn't the FM, valiantly written by General David Petraeus, and introduced with great fanfare and the blowing of bugles, why wasn't it being followed?

The basic problem is that they have no idea of what they're doing, and no sensible plan to do it, whatever it is.

phenomenal reporting

Absolutely phenomenal.

Never a good day to die...

As Sean Naylor's excellent book pointed out in 2002, as he chronicled the 101st as fought in the Shah i Kot Valley. Outnumbered units without artillery (thanks Rummy!), and CAS that would not fly in the daylight. Surprisingly, this did not work.

Now it would seem that in 8 years of combat we still, stunningly, find ourselves in the same predicament: Outnumbered units, without sufficient/timely artillery and air support, fighting insurgents who use the high ground.

Our soldiers can, and do win these fights. But the cost is far too high - and seemingly avoidable if what seem to be basic errors are avoided.

Is there no way to place artillery fire bases to centrally support these far-flung outposts? We used to be kinda good at that... especially if the bad guys come in force and in the daylight.

Bad eye for terrain

I suspect one concern is we would be creating another small pocket, albeit a FSB, that is isolated and prone to being overrun as well. Heavy lift seems to be a factor as well?

It would seem an experienced eye would have noted the placement of the unit's personal artillery (M120 mortars) and would have realized their vulnerabilty to direct fire?

Perhaps the unit's command felt too comfortable they had fire suppression on site and dragged their feet on what they felt may have been an over excited unit commander which delayed air on station?

Hell in a very small place

Channel 4's Nick Paton Walsh visited COP Keating in August '09. Here's a report from his blog:

http://blogs.channel4.com/snowblog/2009/08/17/watching-the-war-from-nuristan%E2%80%99s-idyllic-valleys/

Walsh: "Why are you here?"

CPT Porter, chuckles: "My boss told me to come here..."

Well, if we cut through the

Well, if we cut through the author’s descriptive hyperbole two things stand out; firstly, a freshly hatched Lieutenant could probably have sited an outpost better than the over promoted incompetent that sited COP Keating and secondly, the insurgents are the ones who strike me as the 'magnificent fighters'. Unlike our own forces, which had little option, but to fire back the insurgents showed grit by sticking to it in the face of intense bombing attacks by jet fighters plus being worked over by attack helicopters.

I understand in war it is perfectly natural to puff our own side and diminish the enemy but this particular attack on our forces was unusual. It reminds me of VC and NVA attacks into the teeth of fantastic American firepower during the war in Vietnam. There is a lesson in this incident and we had better learn it. That lesson is the intensity of insurgent morale and their willingness to absorb disproportionate sacrifice and fight on.

Well, if we cut through the

Well, if we cut through the author’s descriptive hyperbole two things stand out; firstly, a freshly hatched Lieutenant could probably have sited an outpost better than the over promoted incompetent that sited COP Keating and secondly, the insurgents are the ones who strike me as the 'magnificent fighters'. Unlike our own forces, which had little option, but to fire back the insurgents showed grit by sticking to it in the face of intense bombing attacks by jet fighters plus being worked over by attack helicopters.

I understand in war it is perfectly natural to puff our own side and diminish the enemy but this particular attack on our forces was unusual. It reminds me of VC and NVA attacks into the teeth of fantastic American firepower during the war in Vietnam. There is a lesson in this incident and we had better learn it. That lesson is the intensity of insurgent morale and their willingness to absorb disproportionate sacrifice and fight on.

A quote

One day while I was in a bunker in Vietnam, a sniper round went over my head. The person who fired that weapon was not a terrorist, a rebel, an extremist, or a so-called insurgent. The Vietnamese individual who tried to kill me was a citizen of Vietnam who did not want me in his country. This truth escapes millions.--Mike Hastie, U.S. Army Medic, Vietnam 1970-71

Insurgent Morale

The morale of the insurgents must be high in order to carry out this kind of attack, knowing they would be hit hard by air power. Their morale was probably lifted at seeing the COP abandoned.

We can not win this war. The American people are not behind this for good reasons. The Army high command needs to realize this very important fact. We have given them eight years, and they have failed completely. The Army high command should be deeply ashamed of its conduct in Afghanistan and Iraq. We need to do a thourough review of all general officers involved in these wars. They are the worst general officers ever fielded by the United States. They as a whole are a disgrace to the uniform they wear. They have treated our enlisted people like garbage. I have no respect for them what so ever, and I am far from alone in these thoughts. It's time to clean house and shame these bums that have betrayed our country.

From this account the Taliban

From this account the Taliban knocked out the main support weapons first, drove the command team from the TOC - all but crippling comms, destroyed the vehicles that provided a means of protected tactical manoeuvre, launched indirect attacks on a nearby FOB that also serves to rearm tactical aviation, and ambushed the relief column. Sounds like a textbook raid that netted captured American gear, ANSF hostages, and a localized propaganda coup.

Taking a step back, this points out the very great danger of raising and training proxy forces to fight your wars on the sly: you can't control them forever. It's irrelevant who provided the actual training for this particular group - those skills were imparted to radicals in the region by American and Pakistani intelligence and special forces a couple of decades ago. Who'd have thought those fighters would eventually come to have their own interests, the will to fight for those interests, and the capability to pass on their own training to the next generation?!

It also reveals a weakness of the proposed strategy of targeting leaders. To mix metaphors, it's not enough to cut the heads off the snakes - you have to drain the swamp, thus eliminating the breeding grounds, else the fight will carry on indefinitely.

Maybe a bit much to extrapolate from a single event, but there's more here than just a reminder that growing up poor and illiterate (but multilingual!) doesn't make the Taliban stupid.

Eight of America's best.

I don't know their names

Staff Sgt. Vernon W. Martin, 25 of Savannah, Ga. photo

Sgt. Justin T. Gallegos, 27, of Tucson, Ariz. photo

Sgt. Joshua M. Hardt, 24, of Applegate, Calif. photo

Sgt. Joshua J. Kirk, 30, of South Portland, Maine. photo

Sgt. Michael P. Scusa, 22, of Villas, N.J. photo

Spc. Christopher T. Griffin, 24, of Kincheloe, Mich. photo

Spc. Stephan L. Mace, 21, of Lovettsville, Va. photo

Pfc. Kevin C. Thomson, 22, of Reno, Nev. photo

What passing bells for these who die as cattle?
Only the monstrous anger of the guns.
-- Wilfred Owen

COP Keating

I hope and believe that the battle at COP Keating will come to be as extensively documented as the one at Wanat, though some of the earlier battle's lessons seem not to have made it through the command chain.

To make note of the obvious: the enemy attacked an isolated, poorly located outpost in force. The enemy achieved surprise. Air support was not available immediately, a great misfortune because the enemy in Afghanistan does not concentrate in numbers large enough to become worthwhile targets very often, and what air support there was sufficed only to prevent the COP from being overrun. The bulk of the attacking force must be presumed to have escaped.

More extensive documentation of this incident might be enlightening. The report quoted here raises questions as to whether a valuable opportunity to hurt the enemy was lost through a failure of intelligence, tardiness of response by combat air, or both. One wonders as well whether the valor of soldiers assigned to outposts like COP Keating is being as adequately supported by the American command in Afghanistan as it is likely to be praised after the fact.

And now a word from the Host Nation.

Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid said the U.S. bombarded the outpost with airstrikes after leaving, as well as the local police headquarters."This means they are not coming back," Mujahid said. "This is another victory for Taliban. We have control of another district in eastern Afghanistan." "Right now Kamdesh is under our control, and the white flag of the Taliban is raised above Kamdesh," Mujahid said.

A senior official of the Nuristan provincial government confirmed Taliban forces were in control of the village and Afghan police and soldiers had withdrawn from the district. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject. Provincial police chief, Gen. Mohammad Qasim Jangulbagh, said the pullout "has had a direct affect on the morale of Afghan forces." "If Afghan soldiers are losing support, how can they stay there?" he asked. "We need the coalition to send their forces back. We need more police, more soldiers."
http://www.sfexaminer.com/world/ap/63832477.html

And it looks like they'll get them. More of America's best, into the breach. Dammit.

"You never step into the same river twice." B. Obama

It really makes one wonder why it took so long to scramble close air support in the form of jets when it appeared obvious that they were being attacked in force. It would be interesting to get more details on what exactly COP Keating's rules of engagement were with regard to air support during an assault on their position. It seems that their commanders were possibly using the apaches for reconnaissance and target acquisition in force before committing to the heavier ordinance of the fighter/bombers in an effort to prevent civilian casualties. What I really want to know is how high up the chain does this type of request have to go before the local commander can receive air support? If we are back to the Vietnam days of the Whitehouse approving air strikes then I can most assuredly place the blame where it most due. Further, it would be interesting to know how many of the officers up the chain of command actually had boots on the ground at COP Keating? With all due respect, only an idiot would set up an indirect fire position exposed to direct fire. If that's what they call leadership then maybe they should stand down at West Point for a couple of days to review their basic tactical defense instruction. If Army leaders actually led from the front you would find a hell of a lot more accountability when it's their lives on the line. Finally, I would like to ask VP Biden where the UAV's and SpecOps folks were during this entire event? Apparently the Whitehouse (WH) is making a concerted effort to encourage another Tet in hopes that the American people will turn against all our efforts to win in AfPak. It is truly unfortunate that it is once again at the expense of the average serviceman while the WH and Congress sit on their hands. Eight months and counting and still no Strategy from Pres. Obama on Afghanistan which was apparently in contrast to his comments during the campaign. He said the following during his visit to Kabul in July 2008: "I think one of the biggest mistakes we've made strategically after 9/11 was to fail to finish the job here, focus our attention here. We got distracted by Iraq," Bush invaded Afghanistan in October 2001... That’s a month of strategic deliberation before action. Pres. Obama's actions, or the lack of, are costing lives and amount to nothing short of complete ineptitude and at the most an utter disregard for the reality on the ground. He should be ashamed! Americans should be pissed. Democrats should be scared in 2012.

Wow its obvious you didn't

Wow its obvious you didn't get this from a person who was there. i dont know where you got this crap from and knowing you newspeople you probably just made it up, but you have serveral key facts wrong about the people in charge. so shut the fuck up quit making shit up and feel sorry for this who died

INCOMPETENTLY PLACED? ARMCHAIR QUARTERBACKS!

As usual armchair quarterbacks think they know better. Try Google Earth or get your kid to do it for you if you are too old. EVERYWHERE in Nuristan has steep river valleys. Keating was located in the valley interdicting the main road (roads are in valleys in the mountains) between the 2 biggest villages in the area, Kamdesh and Mandagal. OP Frische was placed directly adjacent to Kamdesh ON TOP of the mountain. US Army mountain warfare doctrine was followed when it was set up Level 3 terrain was taken (Mountain peaks) to support seizure of Level 2 terrain (midrange high altitude valleys, OP Frische), and then Level 1 was occupied (valley floor, Keating). The mortar pit had a weakness in that it was exposed to fire from the local police station. This weakness was overlooked because no one thought that the station could be seized and used as a enemy strongpoint. The location here is difficult, but there were simply no better options in the area. TRUSTING AFGHANS TO DEFEND AMERICANS IS THE #1 FAILURE HERE. The ANP ran away without warning the US and the ANA allowed their side of the base to be breached and then ran away. The SECOND FAILURE WAS BREACH OF OPERATIONAL SECURITY (OPSEC) in telling the bad guys that they were going to be abandoning the outpost soon. They actually wrote a letter a month prior to this telling Mullah Sadiq (bad guy #1) that they were leaving. And I still say that if Domenic were alive he would have been barking like crazy when the AAF moved into the police station. Karma's a bitch.

HEIRARCHY OF TRUST IN AFGHANISTAN

WHO YOU CAN RELY ON TO STAND THEIR GROUND IN A FIGHT:

1. US and NATO military personnel
2. Taliban and other Wahabi Muslims
3. Afghani insurgent militia, AAF
4. Goats, Sheep, and Birds
5. Afghan Security Forces, Army-Police-Guards-etc...

going back to starbuck

keating was in a messed up place. but i was in the unit that they replaced and there was no where else to put an Lz. choppers don't land at an angle. they can only land straight down. and when i was there the locals were very helpful towards my unit. kamdesh was about 5 kilometers away from fritsche and about 6 from keating. it wasnt the commanders fault why they got overrun. the truck at the top of the small hill in the cop was blown up. the taliban are very straight forward and i know for a fact that they don't want us in the country. but putting outposts out in the middle of nowhere means ways the taliban has a harder way of getting to the center of afghanistan. rotary wing support was in someplace 45 minutes away and fixed wing was another 45 minutes away. i know that places defenses front and back and i know the ao very well.

Truth be known

As the former troop commander of Black Knight troop and having served along many of the fallen soldiers in Iraq, I am overwhelmed with sadness but also anger. As many bloggers pointed out, the location of this COP was poor and the individuals who chose this location were seemingly oblivious to this fact. Unfortunately, this is something that occurred with great frequency in Iraq as well. However, that being said, as a Cavalry Officer I am astounded by the amount of intelligence that was clearly collected by insurgent forces over a prolonged period of time as well as our inability to effectively conduct counter-reconaissance and area security. I am not sure who the Troop commander was but it sounds like the defense had become complacent and was ill prepared and ill equipped to counter an attack of this magnitude.

Ironically, I still recall the SCO discussing Wanat hours after that incident had occurred (I was the HHT Commander at the time). I truly thought that this leadership had taken the lessons learned and applied them to the current fight but instead it sounds like some leadership were simply waiting to complete their tour and get the hell out of Dodge.

I praise those young soldiers who fought a valiant fight and those who gave their lives but again, as many bloggers have mentioned, I think our military leadership has failed. Perhaps this is why our President is reluctant to send more troops (which are clearly needed) because the military has not provided a clear and concise task and purpose or endstate. They merely ask for more men not knowing how these men are used or what roll they will play.

Nontheless, in the absence of clear guidance a leader, a troop commander, should develope a plan of action that takes into account enemy TTPs and any and all COAs. Was this done at COP Keating? In my humble opinion; and unaware of many of the facts; I believe this was not the case.