Iraq, the unraveling (XXIV): U.S. embassy vs. U.S. military, again

Mon, 09/28/2009 - 10:02am

American insiders in Baghdad say the relationship between the top U.S. commander there, Gen. Raymond Odierno, and the top civilian official there, Amb. Christopher Hill, is deteriorating rapidly. Old hands say the chill between the two brings to the bad old days of Sanchez vs. Bremer, when those two unfortunates barely would speak to each other as the American position fell apart in early 2004, along with Iraq itself.

What I am hearing is that Odierno is profoundly frustrated with Hill, who despite knowing almost nothing about Iraq has decided after a short time there that it is time to stand back and stop influencing the behavior of Iraqi officials on a daily basis. In addition, I am told, the ambassador believes the war is an Iraqi problem, not something that really concerns Americans anymore, despite the presence of 125,000 American soldiers. On the other hand, the diplomats respond, the military guys believe they have good relationships with Iraqi officials, but, the dips add, how would the soldiers really know? Because unlike Hill's posse, they don't speak Arabic. Which brings to mind my favorite saying of Warren Buffett, that if you've been playing poker for half an hour and you don't know who the patsy at the table is, you're the patsy. 

This is not good. Too often in Iraq over the last six years, the mission has been undercut by needless squabbling between our soldiers and diplomats. For some inexplicable reason, we've never had a structure that gives the Americans unity of command, with one person in charge of the overall national effort. (Calling Gen. Tony Zinni! Oh wait, the Obama administration screwed him early on about an Iraq post, and he isn't taking their calls anymore.) We have been tying ourselves in needless knots because correcting the bifurcated command structure somehow has been deemed too hard. Some people, like Gen. Petraeus and Amb. Ryan Crocker, were able to overcome the jerry-built command structure by being determined to achieve unity of effort, even if it meant banging together the skulls of subordinates. But it sounds to me like this top-level spirit of cooperation has evaporated and once again the smackdown is Camp Victory vs. the Green Zone -- and let places like Kirkuk and Fallujah fall apart in the meantime.

I was pretty tough on Odierno in Fiasco, but then was very impressed with how he adapted and changed for his second tour in Iraq, in 2007-2008, which I wrote about in The Gamble. By contrast, I've never understood the selection of Hill for Iraq. I met him in the Balkans and thought him a pleasant and smart guy who speaks Serbo-Croatian and Polish, but from what I can tell, he doesn't know much about the Middle East. I am told he is there because he is a Holbrooke homey. But what does Richard "AfPak" Holbrooke have to do with Iraq? I mean, doesn't his writ end several hundred miles to the east, around Herat?       

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Enough with the experts already...

Geez, I wish we had folks representing us who know something about America. It's our guys hanging out there with their asses on the line in Iraq and Afghanistan, our money paying for these follies, and the idea that our on-the-ground leadership needs be expert on the locals in order to be effective badly misreads our interests.

Iraq has been butt-deep in US experts. Result: a morass. Let's try having someone in charge who cares about how it turns out for the USA and - if that means saying screw it to the Iraqis - so be it.

BTW, medical science is still wondering who had the brain transplant, TR or Odierno. And now, for his second transformation, Odierno is posing as representative of American political interests. All you Iraq hands: how about seeing it through an American lens ... which might just get us shut and clear of this whole (Bush-created) mess.

I believe you are flat wrong

Of our many problems in Iraq, having too much expertise has not been a problem.
Best,
Tom

Enough with the experts already...

The experts on Iraq all think we ought to stay there forever. The non-experts (i.e., global strategists, American chauvinists, those who hate to see our military wrecked, and those who wonder just how much health care, business encouragement, and genuine civic investment we could have bought absent this stupid adventure) seem moved to believe this folly has about run its course and it's time to let Iraq settle back into its tribal anarchy and get the hell out of there.

The experts are trying to 'fix' Iraq and to succeed in a whole range of tactical endeavors. How about some non-experts who think globally, strategically, and who care solely about America's interests. Enough of the experts already...

Tom, you've become a spokesman for stay-the-course. You predict that the most important things to happen there have not yet occurred. I disagree on both counts and would gently suggest that the most important events in Iraq in this decade were a disastrous invasion by the US, followed by a disastrous occupation: we've put the best of our American service people and the worst of our foreign policy up against each other and the young kids lost, many their lives and many more their health and future well-being.

The Civil War was awful. It lasted four years. The Second World War was awful. It lasted less than four years. America had no choice but to fight both. We had a choice in Iraq ... and chose wrong. We're into our seventh year, no end in sight, goals that shrink monthly, and you experts want to press on. God save us from experts.

Your position and Wolfowitz

Your position is reminiscent of Paul Wolfowitz's rejection of expert advice during the runup to the war. He said that listening to the experts led to 9/11. So, the thinking seemed to be, it was time instead to turn to ideology. And look where that got us--indeed to a disastrous invasion and occupation.

So the question is, what is the best way to go from here? I don't think that putting our hands over our eyes and ears and shouting, "Make it go away" is gonna work.

With regret,
Tom

Doin' great, eh?

So it's stay the course, eh. That's not strategy, that's apathy.

'Never fight a land war in Asia.' That's a fine expert position. We did. It sucks.

Nah

Not stay the course--but, as David Kilcullen once commented in Baghdad, just because you invade a country stupidly doesn't mean you should leave it stupidly.

God I love rocket science!

Stay stupidly? God I love rocket science!

I'm of the school that says 'if it feels bad, stop doing it.'

We have serious debate whether to remain pretty much in charge in country or to turn the mess over to the Iraqis. When the strategic choices are 'do this or do the exact opposite of this,' it's nature's way of telling us that we are blindly groping for a path forward.

First step: pundits and academic enablers of the status quo: shut up. Second step: military leaders follow Colin Powell's advice: Don't get your ego is so close to your position that, if your position falls, your ego goes with it.'

Counting Costs....

....was not what David Kilcullen was hired to do, and there isn't any rule that journalists have to do it either. If you don't count the costs of the Iraq commitment, "leaving stupidly" probably sounds like the worst thing America could possibly do, even if at the end of the day it means leaving at all, ever.

Experts

I think there is a difference that is not highlighted enough here on experts. There are (and were) plenty of experts getting a lot press and influence in DoD and DoS. However, these were general military and foreign relations experts -- i.e. O'Hanlon, Biddle, Boot, Kagan, etc. Not to mention the countless retired colonels and generals that give "analysis" to news networks and work for think tanks. But what they really needed were experts on Iraq; people that understood its history and could predict the chaos that ensued, or suggested solutions to those problems. (Not that you had to be an expert to predict that all hell was going to break loose.) But in nation-building exercises or counterinsurgency strategy, it's important to know the complex social dynamic within the society you are trying to change/improve/stabilize.

It's interesting to note that most of the people involved in Gen. McChrystal's assessment, etc., are these same generalists and there are few people that are real experts on Afghanistan. Of course, Tom's experience actually living in the region may help qualify him as a "real expert."

What Wolfowitz said on that

What Wolfowitz said on that occasion was of course flat wrong. 9/11 came about in large degree because plentiful expert warnings simply were strangled in the cradle, over years.

Seeking confirmation as secretary of state, Dr Rice on camera first denied she had received any 9/11-type advice; then rattled off from memory the heading of a CIA memo on al-Qaeda plans to attack the US, then was shown the ONE-PAGE CIA memo in question that gave the warning she'd just denied receiving. Having proved in seconds she was a failure as NSA, the committee then agreed she should be the next secstate. Possibly she read memos more carefully there.

The other experts warning of the al-Qaeda threat but not being heard by power were the FBI (many, many times before 9/11) and in the White House itself, Richard Clarke.

Moving to the Pentagon, we have the history of expert General Shinseki being insulted and discarded for coming up with an estimate of the force size needed to invade and occupy Iraq that secretary Rumsfeld found irritating -- although, events were to prove, correct. Let's see, where was expert-despising Paul Wolfowitz working that week?

That's pretty disturbing.

That's pretty disturbing.

Chris Hill at it again

As someone who follows Iraq only as closely as any foreign policy generalist but who specializes in North Korea, I can tell you none of us would be surprised by the problems between Chris Hill and the US military in that country. When he worked on North Korea issues at the end of the Bush administration, Hill was not willing to listen to anyone who knew the issues and had his own little team of groupies who worshipped the ground he walked on (or at least pretended to). While there are a number of reasons why we are in trouble with the North today, not the least of which is the North Koreans themselves, Hill wouldnt listen to experts or anyone else about how to deal with a country that he knew nothing about. Sounds like he is repeating his performance in Iraq. Lets hope the consequences arent as bad.

In trouble with NK?

The war mongers in the pentagon NEED NK. NK has been very good for business. Didn't you get the memo? The more "trouble" the better.

Puss in Boots

Who dressed Biden that morning? Come on, that pic was photoshopped, right? Nobody dresses like that. It reminds me of when Hillary wore that orange pantsuit for a campaign speech. She resembled a CALTRANS worker on the Hollywood Freeway. If he has to wear boots I think Biden made a good choice. Knee-highs looked good on Condi but mid-calf suits Joe a lot better.

A large part of good government consists of photo opportunities like this one. A good photo-op has some empty suits looking important but in this one the eye is drawn immediately to those boots and away from everything else. I mean, that could be a dummy there in the center. The big ugly boots are distracting. The photo needs a little balance -- like put a helmet and goggles on Joe. Mike Dukakis has some stuff he could use.

Where's da general?

And the generalisimo in cammies: can't see him at all. Unsure why swapping the military uniform for pajamas makes sense.

Footwear

Biden was probably out walking around in the desert sands prior to that meeting and maybe after. He should be wearing Gucci wing tips?!?! Your cynical sarcasm betrays you.

Foreign Policy Journalism: The Unraveling

I've been disturbed about the quantity of dispatches relating to the wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan coming from what seems like the military point of view (and the military commanders' point of view in particular) to the detriment of understanding the aims of the political and diplomatic sides and even dismissing the strategic/political adjustments being made under a new administration. That Ricks would seem to give Odierno the benefit of the doubt here is an example of what I'm talking about.

These Foreign Policy blogs are a great service, but the reporting on the personalities in the news is starting to feel a bit like the rest of Beltway journalism, from health care on, in that it's lost in the blow-by-blow, missing the big picture, and constrained by the biases and agendas of the insider sources. And the nuggets of wisdom filtered through the press from the foreign policy establishment is a sign that these figures know little more about what America should do now than they did when Bush was in office.

OK but

this here is a military blog. One Bacon to another, suggest you check out other FP blogs -- Walt, Lynch etc.

But what?

That doesn't mean a military blog or a military reporter isn't allowed to factor in the age old questions about civil-military relations, the dilemmas of weighting military recommendations against the strategic and political decisions from civilian and elected officials, or the fact that his sources represent their own point of view. I seem to recall Ricks earlier this year chiding Obama for getting rolled by his commanders ("Who's commanding who?" etc.), but he now sees fit to characterize strategic reevaluations as "dithering" and commander-civilian tensions as a product of outsiders swooping in to ruin a good thing instead of military resistance to to new policy. When military commanders can depend on influential journalists to inject their point of view into the national discourse, this has a political effect, and I think it's a legitimate point to critique a reporter's frame of reference. I can enjoy Robert Kaplan and still point out his romanticism with mid-level officers that may bias his reporting.

And yes, I do read Walt and Lynch, too, and get annoyed by the same kind of insider, parlor-game journalism that recycles quotes from established think tank fools, that doesn't necessarily get the reader any closer to the truth or the real policy, but does fairly represent what the chattering class is saying in the Beltway.

National Security is not just military...

Don Bacon--
You say this is a military blog. I understand it to be a NATIONAL SECURITY blog (see the subheader). National security is a "whole of government" issue, not just a military one. That's why we have a National Security Strategy ABOVE the National Defense Strategy, which is above the National Military Strategy. We run into big problems when we treat national security as a solely military issue. The military is, of course, a major part of the strategic equation, but not the only part. At least that's what they taught me in Naval War College...

Great News!

Thanks for the good news. I'm glad we have someone like Christopher Hill doing the right thing in Iraq. It's good to know that men like Hill are taking charge and ignoring the pentagon fake expert liars. I guess if Davey boy was there every thing would be ship shape! Everything Davey does is perfect. Davey is the smartest man in the world. I just don't understand why the smartest man in the world can't produce any victories for America. Oh, sorry, I forgot, Davey doesn't work for America, he works for the pentagon. Victories are bad, the wars might end. No money in peace, ya know!

Unity of command problems? I thought the tax payers provide lavish funds for our perfumed princes to learn about this kind of stuff at their little "War Colleges". Looks like the brutal thug Odierno is college dumb, like the rest of the perfumed princes that have ruined the Army and Marines. Odierno's military bearing is pathetic, he looks like a steroid juiced bouncer at a strip club. I feel sorry for our enlisted soldiers being led by this loser.

Taking the opportunity to build some language capabilities..

Troubling is that we appear not to have an interest in building a broad military cadre capable of speaking the languages and understanding the cultures of Central Asia.

How many years has all this been in operation?

In fact in the other areas from Djibouti to Dakar, Tripoli to Cape Town other that GPS position points and ration requirements for a quick kill what do we understand?

Why do we continue to speak about endurance when we act always in a deployment length sprint?

Funding, well, by deficits, of course, instead of voiding high end tax reductions this year? This doesn't indicate commitment to the long haul either. (Proposing that would clear the Republican caucus faster than a Palin walk by.)

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No, Joe;s not wearing ugg boots,

he's wearing ugly boots.

On the question of expertise, I wonder...

What was the expertise that prompted candidate Barack Obama to declare that we must transfer our effort from Iraq to Afghanistan? During the few years that he was a lecturer on constitutional law (!), then an Illinois state senator, he could not also have been an expert on Central Asia, could he? If not, someone must have been prompting him to make that declaration. Will that person now step forward?

If no such person, then there is a theory that, like all of our recent presidents, Barack Obama is simply a narcissist, and - as is the way with that personality - he likes to project authority and confidence even when he does not know beans about anything, especially foreign policy.

If not there, where?

You don't have to be an expert on anything to run a war. Nowadays a US president, to be a proper CINC, has to preside over an ongoing war. The US and war go together like . . .apple pie and cheese. In Vietnam we said: Sure it's a lousy war, but it's the only one we've got. It's GI humor, but unfortunately that's the way the military-industrial complex thinks, and Obama slid into it seamlessly, as they say.

Now Obama is tiring of Afgnanistan and looking more closely at Iran, with a lot of help from, well, you know. Like cheap beer, war keeps the minds of the proletariat off of messy subjects like a fifty percent unemployment rate for young people, and stuff like that.

Well said, Mr. Bacon.

You speak the truth, and you speak it well.

Cat inside a glass ball

Walter Mosley in his new novel says something is as unnatural as a live cat inside a glass ball, or the United States declaring peace. Don't you hate it when cracks like that make sense?

You're right

We should've elected a former Navy pilot with more military expertise. Then we could be spending our time debating the wisdom of starting a war in Georgia.

Politicians aren't the only narcicists in the room, when we have the egos of military professionals, journalists, and academics, all vying to explain how they would run the world better. It's funny to act like refocusing our resources on Afghanistan is somehow a new idea or that Barack Obama was the one who first proposed it. Truth is that the reality has shifted since 2007 when Sen. Obama (he was a senator, by the way, and not a law professor at the time) first became a candidate, and has changed even in the last few weeks since the Afghan elections. Our thinking is just starting catch up with the facts on the ground. Thinking often lags behind in "forgotten" wars, no? We might ask ourselves who has been in charge in the last few years to do the forgetting.

Expertise up the wahoo

Are you implying, as you seem to be, that the president of the United States has no experts to call on about grave issues of national security? Is this a racial suggestion?

America scouting for the next wars

With our politicians in bed with corporate America and PAC-political lobbysts, we are on "auto-pilot" in search of "just" wars. The solution from this disease is so easy and yet so difficult because of the way our political system is structured.With corporate lobbysts having their on internal matters and PACs highjacking our foreign policy, we are screwed.

Someone please save America,ban lobbying and campaign contributions of all kinds.As a topping, we need term limits for Congress and the Senate.

politics of Iraq

We waited for all the Bush years to see how the new administration would attempt to solve the political differences between Shia, Suni and Kurd, not to mention the many factions vying for power. What has changed to mitigate the political imbroglio and fight for resource access and what has failed? I see nothing has improved so I will avoid asking that one. Also, are ordinary Iraqis seeing any improvement at all in their lives? And when will American and Western journalists demand an answer to how we justify the invasion and destruction of the oldest civilization on earth and the continued occupation and manipulation by oligarchs? Why is there no dispute about what these peoples are entitled to and where are the war crimes indictments, or has the entire Western press forsaken this particular holocaust against Muslim people?

What about Somalia and Yemen?

Dear Mr. Ricks, isn't this getting a bit old? You have been predicting the 'unravelling' in Iraq for years now, and yet it still doesn't come. Is there an expiration date for your predictions? Are you making mountains out of mole hills regarding Odierno/Hill? Will you keep writing about the 'unravelling' until your last breath? You seem like a very important pundit, and I for one would like to hear more of your fresh opinions on places like Somalia and Yemen.

About Odierno and Hill not getting along

About the general and the diplomat, this tension is always going to be there. The military feels it knows it all and resist civilian input and control. Add the fact that Ambassador Hill is being opposed for purely political reason by certain sections of the Mmilitary and the Republican Party, then you have a more aggravating situation. War is too serious a business to be left to Generals alone. Civilian control ensures that we take a broader view of the situation we face. This is rightly so, because we must take into account a broader strategic goal as well as concerns about budget, support by the people and diminishing human and financial resources
Dr. Sam

When I rule the world ...

In the 1950's, we were taught that Russia, or the USSR, was evil because they wanted to take over the world by force. Then we were told that cold war was over and we could see they were just like us. I always thought it meant that they were good people too, but then I realized it meant they, like us, are planning to take over the world by force, but no reason not to play along with them. I find it astonishing that the one subject going on that is most scary is one the press won't touch: The Pentagon has taken over the world and no one really knows what they plan to do about it. Obama surely has no clue, or at least he has zero say in the matter. We are officially a military state and though it isn't clear when the coup d'etat happened, it is still in full metal jacket.

Statesmen and Soldiers

Of course everyone knows war is too important to trust to the military. The problem though, is the military's civilian leaders always fail to understand their limitations as well, which is why conversely, Sun Tzu felt war was too important to leave completely to civilian authority.

Eliot A. Cohen stated, "politicians define grand policy in wars, but that it's up to the military to implement policy without civilian interference." - but points out that's in theory.

"Good morning, good morning!" the General said,

When we met him last week on our way to the line.

Now the soldiers he smiled at are most of 'em dead,

And we're cursing his staff for incompetent swine. - "The General"

It is frightening to me that

It is frightening to me that the military is in a power struggle with civilian authority. The military is suppose to do what it is told by civilian authority. Churchill had a great comment concerning this subject, but I can't locate it. I bet you know it Mr. Ricks.

Ready to roll, but no place to hide

The military is in full splendor and you can catch their act this week testing the latest atomic styled noise bombing of civilians at the G20 sermon, ur, ugh, meeting. They will be there beating to death stupid young people who were so addled by the flop of education they received, they can't conceive of the world devised for them. The military is just thing, "if it don't make a man outta dem, it's sort em out somehow."

Plus, soon we'll all be part of the military and children as young as six will be fitted for that full metal jacket.

Hill's probably right; Odierno, probably wrong

More interesting that any disagreements between Odierno and Hill is the address made in the UN General Assembly a few days back by Iraqi president al-Maliki. In that lengthy series of addresses from sundry heads of government, the speakers' times were limited, and they tended to unburden themselves of one central issue pressing on their mind.

Al-Maliki's issue: pleading with the UN to remove all regulations that offer a fig leaf of legality for the continued presence of US and other Coalition forces in his nation.

The clear implication of this speech, much unreported within the US and lavishly reported elsewhere, is that the Iraqi government is bending every possible effort to get foreign forces out of the country at the earliest possible date. And in the context of this Ricks article, the clear implication of THAT is that ambassador Hill has a much better handle on the future of the US military in Iraq than do the local leaders of the US military. Time to start mapping the farewell victory ceremony.

Part of Maliki's re-election camaign

That's because Malik is eyeing the Jan. 2010 Iraqi elections. One of the things he's running on is the claim that he got the U.S. to leave Iraq. Already he's stopped all requests from Iraqi forces to get assistance from the U.S., there are regular disputes with Iraqi forces not letting U.S. forces through checkpoints without arguments. The majority of U.S. forces are cooped up in their bases as a result.

Hill's problem with the truth

The hallmark of Chris Hill's pre-Iraq career was a February 2007 agreement with North Korea that the North began violating within weeks of signing it, and for which the North demanded the lifting of sanctions President Obama later had to reimpose when the North predictably walked away from the deal and tested a nuke. The deal also required Hill to coopt the Federal Reserve into returning $25 million in criminally derived funds to Kim Jong Il (see 18 U.S.C. 1957). Hill suppressed intelligence that North Korea was building the Syrians their own nuclear reactor, drawing furious reactions from Republicans and Democrats in the House Intelligence Committee. He overlooked repeated violations of UNSCR 1718, allowing North Korea to continue selling weapons abroad, thus weakening the international counter-proliferation framework that President Obama is now trying to rebuild. He was repeatedly deceptive in concealing North Korea's numerous cheats, obfuscations, and refusals to disclose or disarm.

On issue after issue, Christopher Hill excused North Korea from its agreed obligations -- to come clean on uranium enrichment, fully disclose its nuclear programs, disclose or turn over weapons or fissile material, disclose and halt proliferation activities, return the Japanese abductees (or their remains), or address its crimes against humanity. He had promised various members of Congress that those terms were non-negotiable, but then duly negotiated them all away until we were holding an empty bag. Hill knew by 2007 that his deal was falling apart, yet he spent the next year asking Congress to agree to more concessions while knowing full well that we'd get nothing in return. And we see the result.

http://newledger.com/2009/04/christopher-hill-deep-kimchee-for-iraq/

Hill alone isn't responsible for that, of course. Secretary Rice and President Bush knew exactly what was happening. They couldn't be bothered with national security interests when they had their legacies to think about.

Fortunately, Iraq is a sleepy backwater were Christopher Hill can't possibly do our national interests any more harm.

Pajamas are comfortable, issue military uniforms aren't.

It's the new digital camouflage where you aren't supposed to see anything but ones and zeros.

An historical look (recently

An historical look (recently voiced by Rory Stewart) at British administration around the globe indicated success when the administrators lived many years in a region, knew (and were rigorously tested on) the local languages, and had to manage their own budget and security with minimal home-nation assistance. More recently, Frank Kitson noted that when it came to providing counter-insurgency assistance to another nation, the ambassador should be (without question) the lead and there should be clear relationships and organization of subordinate civil, military and police organizations. Certainly politics drives strategy. Kitson likely assumed that ambassadors were experts in their regions, which may not be the case here.

State today is bound by quality of life expectations that diplomatic staff will move more frequently than in the 18th and 19th centuries, and lacks a significant impetus to develop the kind of regional expertise of a few hundred years ago: Americans don't emigrate to the developing world.

As long as all the soldiers and all the diplomats know they're going to be returning to the USA in a matter of a couple of dozen months at most, there's little incentive to really learn the languages and customs or sort out command structure problems.

The Baghdad Power Struggle Nobody's Covering

I find it amazing that 99% of the American public can talk about a situation in a country half-way around the country concerning military and strategic tactics and never have served in the military or experienced YEARS in a country where the pupulation hates your guts and sponges all available resources without any accountability. Until you have witnessd for extended periods of time, not just the jounts of two days to a week or so, and the cultural graft and corruption of the Iraqi society, stick to worrying about not transferring the wealth of our country. We are making Iraqi military officials millionaires while our citizens struggle to make home mortagages and living expenses.
Discuss something you know. Argue that by providing health care to all our citizens we are transferring wealth, a very bad thing. While the transfer of wealth by our government to bail out banks so the financial instituation employees can recieve their yearly bonuses at the rate that takes the average American ten years to earn is a good thing. There is some great conservative thinking there.

-Live for Iraq.

Hill knows that a gorilla can't deal with Iraqis

Odierno is sort of a bull in a china shop who tried to have a "kinetic" relationship with Iraq. He can't understand that Iraq will never put up with an American Proconsul like Bremer again-- especially not a ham-fisted general. Hill, on the other hand, replaced Zinni at the last moment as Obama's signal that we're leaving. Odierno doesn't want to realize that the price of postponing the plebiscite on the SOFA accord is letting loose of the Baghdad Gov. Gates may have been fooled by McChrystal when the latter deceived him that he's a guy who wants to do more with less. But Odierno's species is given away by his specific anthropomorphic form. You don't send in a gorilla to make nice. That's why Hill replaced Zinni. It may all be unwinding because what Bush hath wroth cannot be undone: through Bremer he institutionalized the Shia-Sunni split under guise of anti-Bathists in order to divide and conquer-- it was all about the oil man...and now that China's got it we have no more business there. So even if the phony surge unravels because, well, it was phony-baloney as the Saudis and Kuwaitis keep feeding cash to Sunnis and Iran to Shias, we can only get out of the way because, as Hill was told often by Maliki, if we let the big gorilla loose they'll call a plebiscite and we all know how lovable Odierno and his predecessor are amongst Iraqis (hint: every Iraqi over 10y/o knows that the Surge was an architecture imported from Israel and no Iraqis like to see themselves as America's Palestinians.