The closer you look the uglier it gets
Hmmmn, dawn redacted that story under pressure.
Must check the Wayback machine @ IA after a day or so
‘Vice President Cheney does not have a death squad.
I have no idea who killed Mr Hariri or Ms Bhutto."
REALLY! Raw Story Reposted a Newsweek article from June 2006:
"Lt. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, West Point '76, is not someone the Army likes to talk about. He isn't even listed in the directory at Fort Bragg, N.C., his home base. That's not because McChrystal has done anything wrong—quite the contrary, he's one of the Army's rising stars—but because he runs the most secretive force in the U.S. military. That is the Joint Special Operations Command, the snake-eating, slit-their-throats "black ops" guys who captured Saddam Hussein and targeted Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi.
JSOC is part of what Vice President Dick Cheney was referring to when he said America would have to "work the dark side" after 9/11. To many critics, the veep's remark back in 2001 fostered his rep as the Darth Vader of the war on terror and presaged bad things to come, like the interrogation abuses at Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo Bay. But America also has its share of Jedi Knights who are fighting in what Cheney calls "the shadows." And McChrystal, an affable but tough Army Ranger, and the Delta Force and other elite teams he commands are among them. ..."
http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/05/did-newly-announced-top-afghan-general-run-cheneys-assassination-wing/
So Hersh lies, or should I say 'disinforms'.
... Cheney DID have a JSOC group directly attached to his office. Hersh is playing it fast and loose, and transparent as thin potato soup.
So Seymour Hersh denies it, a man TOTALLY dependent on, and hoping that his pentagon/state department sources remain intact... Perhaps they will. Now.
...and for what it's worth, and to clarify Tom, you're a blogger, and DAWN IS a MAIN NEWS SOURCE FOR PAKISTAN.
Methinks they're more reliable than the Pentagon's PR plant at the NYTimes, Judith Miller, ever was.
Meanwhile most of YOUR sources have US connections, and perhaps SOME overseas sources that aren't related to American interests and American supported governments, but essentially you're as hamstrung by your sources skewed westward as Mr. Hersh.
So do you think Dawn's also lying about what their president claims?
Pakistan's president Zardari claimed Osama bin Laden was a "Washington operative"... he claims Pakistan turned UBL over around 1989 (UBL worked for US @ the time).... that Pakistani forces had arrested bin Laden and handed him over to US forces who then lost him.
http://tinyurl.com/ok75wg
Have you called him and verified the quote?
“This is another example of blogs going bonkers with misleading and fabricated stories and professional journalists repeating such rumours without doing their job – and that is to verify such rumours.”
I can understand kicking off an examination of spurious blog-sh__, but your bold caption waves the allegation, smearing both men named, more than a source that most of us care nothing about.
Hersh over the past 10 years or so has seemed to be pathetically over-reaching for that one last big scoop. One more My Lai moment before he retires. At times this has been interesting, and at times embarassing. His sources are so vague that it is difficult to image that they are legit, or even real. In 2006 he breathlessly reported that US plans for an attack on Iran included nuclear weapons. Duh! Any contingency plan for a military strike on a nation that we suspect harbors nukes would include such an option. For Hersh the obvious becomes scoop. Who in the intel/DOD community would talk with this aging gadfly?
So the question might be this: Is it conceivable that Hersh floated the idea to see if it gained traction, hoping to be the center of attention one more time?
Sort of sad.
Hersh's over-reach is underestimated
Wasn't AbuG Sy's scoop? Maybe not as big as the Tillman scandal that Rummy feared, but still a big fish.
I've never understood where he gets inside sources. Maybe it's his celebrity, the Jack Anderson effect, but he's had other notable successes.
US plans for an attack on Iran included nuclear weapons
Updated below...
RPM, those armed nuclear Cruise missiles the Air Force 'accidentally' moved across the US a while back ended up at a base that stages for a middle-of-the-Atlantic airbase that stages for the Middle East.
You REALLY think that all the safeguards in atomic weapons movement the US military has in place ALL failed at the same time?
That's what the US Air Force would have us believe, and they had an 'inquiry' to validate it.
As one of my ex-army friends put it... "If you lose your belt or a shoelace, no one on base will notice, but lose your M-16, and the whole damn place gets locked down."
and "They have you check off on procedure, and then there's the uy who checks off that YOU checked off, and a guy above hime to make sure you BOTH checked off, and then all the paperwork goes to someone who checks off that the check offs were all done"
Th Pentagon was either planning a back door strike against Iran of the "Follow me in boys! It's too late to turn back!" persuasion (Doctor Strangelove's General Jack Ripper's technique), or handing the responsibility (and weapons) off to the Israeli Air Force.
I'm SURE JINSA, the military-industrial equivalent of AIPAC, has the designs and blueprints for the airborne equipment necessary to launch ANY US airborne ordinance within months of it's development.
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Edit 1820pm PDT May 19 2009
The name of the air base those armed Cruise missiles were destined for... Diego Garcia.
"MARK COLVIN: And why is it so important to the United States?
DAVID VINE: It's important to US, at least some US Government officials because they see Diego Garcia along with Guam, a US colony or territory, as key overseas military installations through which they can exert US military power and maintain US dominance in the world, particularly in the case of Diego Garcia, over the Middle East and Persian Gulf and its oil supplies."
Did you ever have the feeling our 'allies' despise us?
The subject line is all I have to say.
MEMORIAL DAY: RICKS STILL SAYS ABOLISH ACADEMIES, WAR COLLEGES
Tom Ricks wrote in the Washington Post to abolish all Academies and War Colleges but still has not told which if any of the Academies or War Colleges he has actually visited so that readers and listeners would know if Ricks had any valid knowledge of what he is talking about. That is, Ricks popped-off with "Lets kill Annapolis et al" with no personal knowledge of the life, culture, ethos of each of the Academies.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/16/AR2009041603483.html
The article by Tom Ricks in this case is irresponsible and sloppy and Ricks owes cadets, midshipmen, families, NOK, grads, prospects and his readers an apology for his weak journalism. His topic, Accountability and Transparency, is excellent -- Grads more or as much as any others urge Accountability and Transparency of their Academies -- and War Colleges -- and I have written so; but his actual article is so failed as to warrant some decent apology especially for injury to those who cannot hit back: families and NOK and the dead and prospects for academies affected by the sloppy article.
By way of introduction, my West Point class is 1966. I chaired construction of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in DC and worked with vets for decades building the Korean War Veterans Memorial, the Women's statue at the Wall, the Women in Military Service Memorial in DC and Memorials in many states. Right now I work to help the project for the WW II Women Pilots (WASPs) be awarded a Congressional Gold Medal, as were the Tuskegee Airmen. That legislation has just passed the Senate. For President Reagan I planned and directed the Vietnam Veterans Leadership Program in 47 states. Some of the programs continue to this day, on their own funding. The VVLP mission is to link vets up with each other to find jobs and to break the false stereotype of vets as folks to feel sorry for, to pity, to treat as victims; instead to recognize vets as Strong Warfighters and Strong Citizens. Many VVLP guys and gals now work this mission for Iraq and Afghanistan vets.
Here is why Tom Ricks owes an apology. First, he seems not even to know that USCGA and USMMA exist. But his piece would abolish them. What an insult to USCGA and USMMA -- to say abolish them and not mention them. Second, Ricks does not say where on the web his cost data can be obtained and examined. Third, he in fact has not visited all the Academies and War Colleges he would shut, in a way to learn their ethos and culture and effectiveness of teaching, but by his tone of (false) knowledge, readers would think he has some close knowledge of the schools; West Point reports that Ricks has visited briefly, but not to learn anything at West Point of depth about the life and values of cadets and West Point and of West Point grads.
Fourth, Ricks omits mention that Washington and Jefferson long ago had sharp discussions about the need for West Point, and Washington strongly wanted the Academy. Jefferson opposed until right after he became President and saw the light, so to speak. He set up West Point (and so all Academies) (except USCGA) to draw youngsters from all walks of life -- the very poor especially -- proportionately from all over America through Congressional appointment. The Academies Reflect America thanks to Jefferson's Genius and Washington's Leadership.
Ricks seems not to know that the founders were clear on the need for a National Military Academy and he does not re-examine their arguments. USCGA brings in applicants by examination only, not by appointment from Congress proportionally nationwide. USCGA still succeeds in reflecting all of America and in fact has a slightly higher proportion of women admitted than the other four academies.
Fifth, Ricks does a thing that shows complete unfamiliarity with the heartbeat and life of the Academies: he tries to separate the Graduates from their Academies by saying the Grads are "crackerjack" but the schools are "community colleges" -- meant to mean, "second or third rate." So he insults Community Colleges too :) Most Academy grads strive to embody the values of their Academy in their lives. Ricks, unaware of this, shows a kind of insulting ignorance.
Sixth, Ricks in his article holds up ROTC as a paradigm without noting that no O-10 in active service has faced Peer War -- WW II kind of like war -- meaning that in 2009 the military does not know if ROTC programs steel grads adequately for Peer War. Meanwhile, Academies are proved in steeling grads for Peer War. He does not address the known un-evenness and disparities and inadequacies reported on many ROTC programs nationwide. He shows ignorance of his subject matter, in short. He goes on to say that Academy grads are too expensive therefore, but with no foundation of fact and analysis. Some or many or all ROTC programs may in fact be significantly underfunded.
Seventh, Ricks in his piece uses some alleged hearsay about some commanders who prefer non-West Pointers, he says. That is fine -- West Point is not perfect and not nearly perfect :) But anecdotal hearsay proves nothing. An editor of merit would have deleted, and pressed for real substantiation.
Eighth, Ricks omits to say that more than any other Americans, many Academy grads believe that their Academies have to earn their keep anew in each generation. I have written this myself. It is a reason that I participated in and supported the work of author Rick Atkinson in his writing the book, "The Long Gray Line" about West Point and the class of 1966. I told Rick, "We owe an accounting, to say to Americans, this is what you gave to us, and this is our Report." The book shows my own foibles, blunders and errors :) The point is, Accountabilty and Transparency :)
Ninth, Ricks omits mention of women and the gateway that the Academies provide to women for contributing to the defense and life of our Country. In 2005 the 10,000th woman graduated from the Five Federal Academies (I did the research); America is now on the way to 15,000 women grads of the Academies. This is a powerful and culturally and militarily important cohort. Ricks seems oblivious to this aspect, the aspect of bringing women so quickly and fully into mainstream Military and (as vets) Community Leadership. This exhibits again the genius of Washington and Jefferson. They made this possible.
Tenth, the piece Ricks wrote is so journalistically irresponsible that it unforgivably wounded folks who Can't Fight Back. That is, he rattled the morale and feelings of parents of prospective cadets and midshipmen and the prospects themselves, and many cadets and midshipmen, and widows and NOK of Academy grads killed in battle, and he insulted the brave dead from Academies. Hal Moore USMA 1945 of "We Were Soldiers" is an overpriced product of a third-rate college? Some would disagree. His steel in saving his battalion is seen by many as Proof of West Point's Value as Founded by Presidents Washington and Jefferson. Paul W. "Buddy" Bucha USMA 1965 is an overpriced grad of a third rate school? Congress and the President probably thought otherwise in citing Buddy for the Medal of Honor for saving the 89 men in his surrounded and cut-off Company in the 101st Abn. My dad John Wheeler USMA Jan 1943 at Normandy and the Ardennes and the Bridge at Remagen and the Liberation of the Nordhausen Death Camps was the overpriced grad of a third rate school? Ricks can go to Arlington and speak that at my Dad's grave :)
Eleventh, Ricks rabbit-punches Dave Petraeus USMA 1974. He insults him. He calls Dave's school third rate but says Dave somehow got into Princeton for graduate school. Dave had been kind and gracious to Ricks. Ricks is rather insulting to the Commanding General who trusts him. He does owe an apology for that. Ricks ignores that Dave himself by his life and work strives to embody West Point.
Twelfth, Ricks clings to an unmanly quality of Never Own up to an Error. There are better men and women at the Washington Post than that. Dave Broder, for example. Ann Scott Tyson, for example. Henry Allen, for example. Don Graham, for example. Ricks instead has done the unmanly thing of hiding behind a few editors at the Post who hew to the "Never Apologize, Never Explain" doctrine that infects some Journalists. The ombudsman of the Post says he only does news, not opinion pieces. Ricks' editor at the Outlook Section has never explained why he let the journalistically weak piece get published in a Fine Newspaper. The Editorial Page editor still does not "get" the flaws of the Ricks writing. The topic -- Accountability for the Academies -- is superb and timely. The actual article is journalistically unprofessional and failed.
Ricks instead drifts along at stall-speed, so to speak, in denial -- unattractive in anyone but especially a journalist and author. Instead Ricks this week points out that the West Point class of 1976 with Raymond Odierno, Dave Rodriguez, and Stanley McChrystal had the travail of an Honor scandal -- a periodic event at USMA; but without mention that at West Point Honor is Real and the human condition means that humans fall short. The point is, West Point stands for and hews faithfully to Honor. And to Accountabilty and Transparency.
The Washington Post and Tom Ricks want the Military and the Academies to be Transparent and Accountable. But in this egregious case of awful journalism the Washington Post and Tom Ricks do not hold themselves to anything close to that Noble Standard.
The Editorial Page Editor and Outlook Editor of the Post and Ricks can Man-Up and apologize, at least to the young and innocent and good folks they wounded.
John Wheeler
USMA 66
wheelerusa@usa.net
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