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The cynicism of the cadets: an officer reports from Iraq
A lieutenant not long out of
West Point checks in from Iraq with this thoughtful note. He agrees with
some of my arguments, disagrees with others. Based on this, I'd say the Army
and West Point have some issues to deal with. Like: I'd never heard of being
able to pass college classes without even getting the textbooks.
Also, I think West Point seriously needs to think about this cynicism thing. That kind of attitude could get old real fast in a remote FOB in Iraq.
It's hard enough being a new platoon leader coming into a combat-hardened Army nowadays without carrying that sort of snarky baggage.
I have deleted from his note some identifying references. The rest is as he sent it to me:
I'd like to preface this message by saying four things. First, I am sure you have had many responses to your article, but I feel the need to add another. Second, I would like to say that I mostly agree with what you have said, however, there are some things I disagree with and I will address both. Third, I am a 1LT currently serving in..., Iraq ...and I am a graduate of West Point Class of 2007. Fourth, this response ended up being about 4 pages single spaced, so hopefully you can make it through the whole thing.
I suppose I will first address the things I agree with. I will tell you as a graduate that I think that your point regarding the academics at West Point is a valid one. I can say personally, whether right or wrong, I did very little work academically and I was still able to maintain a very mediocre average GPA. At no time during my academic career did I feel as if I was going to fail out or not make the cut academically. On essentially every occasion I didn't do a single night of homework in any class, waited till the absolute last second to start papers or attempt to study for large exams, and put forth as little effort as possible into my academics. On several occasions, I purchased none of the required books and resources for the class (I know this can actually be tracked and proven) and told teachers that I learned nothing in my classroom time and I felt it was a waste of time. I would like to say again, wrong or right, this is the truth. Looking back now I feel completely cheated academically in almost every instance; though there were some instances where I did learn a lot from a course or instructor. One of those occasions was a class in which I had a civilian instructor with multiple PHDs and was in her last year of a 30 years career...she really was a SME (subject matter expert). I feel like her expertise should be the standard, not the exception.
I'd also like to state that I furthermore agree that sending someone to a civilian university and then a short military school afterwards is much more beneficial. Isn't this what the Brits do? One thing that I find very ironic about West Point and West Pointers is that they are always told to think outside of the box, but I think you can see from the responses you got from them during your chat session, it's anything but that. It's the same way you hear every West Pointer say; I am not the typical West Pointer... In my humble and experienced opinion, you are often punished or shunned for thinking outside of the box at West Point. One of my favorite courses at West Point was American Politics because my instructor was knowledgeable about each side of each argument, no matter what anybody had to say, right wing, left wing, libertarian, etc, he would play devil's advocate. Again, likely the norm at many other universities.
Regarding cynicism -- You are 100% correct. I can honestly say at this point, there is no amount of money that could make me stay in the Army past my commitment. By the time I graduated West Point, I was so cynical about the Army, and since then the cynicism has only grown because I feel like I was lied to on so many occasions. I spent four years hearing you will be prepared; you are the best and brightest, etc, etc. When I got into the Army I learned I was not prepared and more importantly I was not anymore prepared than my peers who had done ROTC. This is just one example of the feeling of dishonesty I have felt over the past two years, I could continue, but I will spare you and keep to the point of this response. I feel if I had gone to a different university I would not only have gotten a better education, but I would have been able to enter the military without the cynicism I feel now.
I think you make a completely valid point regarding just because this would only save us about 1% of our national deficit, is this a reason not to ask the question. You have to begin somewhere and every little bit helps. The focus of your article is not "West Point Sucks," as one person stated, it is that the money being spent on West Point could likely be spent other places and give the same results if not better. Knowing this and understanding it, I still feel a sting when I think about your article because for many of us who have given our heart and soul to that place in ways that few can understand it hurts to hear something you do not want to hear. Does this make me any less proud of what I have done? No, I can almost guaranteed I am as proud if not prouder than many who wrote in (I didn't see any other grown men besides myself crying in their fathers arms graduation day).
All this said, I'd like to present some opposition because I do not believe I would be doing my 'duty' if I failed to do so. It seems as if the most controversial comment you made was regarding the "community college education." As you can see above I agree, the education is not what it should be, I do believe however, your comment was an over exaggeration. I understand being in the media is about selling papers in the best way to do that is to create controversy, but come on now, really? I had this argument with my fiancee and I stated that while I have serious knocks on my academic education I believe that I got a better academic education that I would have at Ohio University which is another school I was considering. She asked, "how do you know though?" I stated I do not know, but I can say with semi-confidence because my brother who is two years younger than me who is class of 2010 attended...University...for a year and has stated on several occasions he believes he is receiving a better education at West Point.
Several people have pointed to rankings and small class room sizes as counter points to your comment. You stated that you don't hold much weight in rankings. I think this may be a little bit naive, because though any sort of data or rankings are imperfect, what else does the average person have to go off of. It's impractical to think that high school students can travel the country checking out every single college in the US prior to making their decision. You have to start somewhere and a good starting point is through reputable magazines, authors, and newspaper columnists to find what you are looking for. That said, I think that many West Pointers are in for a rude awakening when they get into the corporate world (acknowledging I myself have not been there) are expect to fall back on the ranking of West Point and "all the things" they have done in the military. Less than 1% has ever served and the majority of those people do not know the difference between a sergeant and a captain. Most people do not know what a...and a ...do (my two positions). So falling back on everything I done, especially in this economy likely will not cut the mustard. The bottom line "What can you do for my company?" and "How can you make me money?" are the two things people are going to what to know. Unless I can think outside of the box and relate my experiences to someone, then it's not going to work. Like I said, some people may be in trouble. As I said before, I don't put much weight into the small classroom environment because I do not feel as if I got a good classroom education because most of the professors are not SME's, and that is a shame.
My last disagreement is that while I have many complaints I do not think we should get rid of West Point, but I think there need to be many changes made to it. While back during Macarthur's, many of his quotes may have been true, I do not think they are true today. I think as one cadet leaving said, "West Point is a decaying institution." And oh, by the way, I made it through so nobody can use that argument with me. That said, I do not think it is a lost cause. Things can be change and the prestige can be restored. For all my cynicism and negative comments, I honestly believe that. Having officers there to relate their stories about Iraq and Afghanistan is extremely beneficial however, instead of sending anyone to West Point, they should pick the absolute best and send them, and I believe without a shadow of a doubt, that this is not done. I learned most about how to be an officer from seeing bad examples and saying "that will never be me" than the other way around. When I saw the opposite I meant something to me every time, that's how infrequently it occurred. Same thing with the NCO's. By starting there, a lot of West Point could be changed in a short time.
I have re-read this moving note several times. I am especially struck by his comment about how he was stung because he gave his "heart and soul" to West Point despite his misgivings about the place. I salute him for doing so.









conflicted
I'm not sure how he can argue that he gave his 'heart and soul" to the institution, when in the same letter he states:
"... I didn't do a single night of homework in any class, waited till the absolute last second to start papers or attempt to study for large exams, and put forth as little effort as possible into my academics. On several occasions, I purchased none of the required books and resources for the class..."
He pre-judged the value of the course prior to it's start? Not possible, unless his intent was to avoid responsibility and duty from the start. Without knowing the young officer it is impossible to know/judge, but there is little doubt that lazy people skate through institutions and learn little, while motivated individuals excel and learn. As the old saying goes, You only get out of something what you put in to it. Should this be true at USMA? Perhaps not.
And this officer is to be commended for his candor - and his service to our nation. However, let's hope that he is spending more time on his studies now...
and another thought
"my instructor was knowledgeable about each side of each argument, no matter what anybody had to say, right wing, left wing, libertarian, etc, he would play devil's advocate. Again, likely the norm at many other universities."
Uhh, not even close.
Reading the Lt's response made me think of this...
One of my favorite quotes:
I divide my officers into four classes; the clever, the lazy, the industrious, and the stupid. Most often two of these qualities come together. The officers who are clever and industrious are fitted for the highest staff appointments. Those who are stupid and lazy make up around 90% of every army in the world, and they can be used for routine work. The man who is clever and lazy however is for the very highest command; he has the temperament and nerves to deal with all situations. But whoever is stupid and industrious is a menace and must be removed immediately!
Truppenführung 1933
Officer corps
As a former TA, I was struck, and distraught, by this young's man assertion that he was able to pass all his classes, albeit with a mediocre GPA, without opening his textbooks. Then, I decided to ask my recently graduated colleagues at work, all of whom have attended or attend civilian universities in DC. And their assessment is: it is possible in a civilian university to graduate without reading your textbooks. Your GPA will be low, but in liberal arts at least, you can pass most if not all your classes without doing the reading assignments. Tom, maybe the university you remember is no longer...
Cheers,
I don't have anything useful
I don't have anything useful to add about the military experience, having never been in.
However, as a Princeton grad, let me say that your correspondent's comments about academics really resonated with me. I had some extremely challenging classes at Princeton on really difficult material - stuff presented by brilliant professors that expanded my mind greatly, and often reduced me to frustrated hysteria in trying to understand. I also had some courses that, despite being less intensive, also taught me a lot. But I had to seek out those courses.
I took many courses in college where you could get by by skimming the reading the night before discussion, where papers and homework assignments didn't need to be started til one or two nights before they were due, and no more than a cursory review of the lecture notes would get you the "gentleman's B+" in a course. I know it would have been quite possible to graduate without getting much of an education, and had I been more inclined to focus on something other than my academic life, I very well might have.
I am now a graduate student at a major public institution (one with no real "grade inflation"), and things aren't much better here as far the undergraduate curriculum is concerned. I'm not old enough, nor have I studied the matter enough, to say whether it has "always been this way" or whether some form of standards decay has occurred across American academia over some time period.
Are Marines reading this blog?
Is it just me? When I was a USMC company grade officer, I don't remember having time to read, blog or post comments...even if I had a computer and access to the Internet. It appears that recent ring knockers are defensive and thin skinned to hear criticism of their institutions.
Tom's comments, I assume, are from his post-9/11 interactions with these chosen ones. But in general this issue is old. Here's an article from 2001.
"Academies Out of Line"
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101940418-164210,00.html
Time Article
Sir-
Thanks for posting that article. Some of the quotes in there are just as relevant today as when they were written in 2001. For example:
"Last week a cadet at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point acknowledged that the school is no longer a rigid temple of martial arts and science. 'I expected a very military environment," says Cadet Jason Squier, a junior from Norwalk, Iowa. 'It surprised me that West Point is a lot closer to a civilian college than most people would expect.'"
LT is Right
Mr. Ricks-
Thanks for posting this Old Grad's observations. He's hit on alot of stuff that I, and other cadets in my class, have observed on a day in day out basis. Just like this LT, I believe strongly in what USMA ought to be, but am saddened to see it as it is today. There are a couple of points worth noting:
1. The LT is right when he says that it is possible to get through USMA doing as little as possible. In fact, you really have to try to fail academically. That said, there is a real mix of cadet responses to the academic load. There are some who work constantly and excel at their assignments. Some of my classmates who are Engineering majors are good examples of this. I also know other cadets who slack through class and then go back to the barracks and play PS3 all night. Come to think of it, it's similar to a civvie school in that regard.
2. Cadets are cynical as heck and the command climate does nothing to help this situation. With all respect to LTC Hilferty and his use of quotations from "Absolutely American," there really are cadets who are completely fed up with the system as it is. How can you blame them when the party line is that we are preparing for war yet cadets have to go through garrison nonsense that has zero role in preparing for war? Or how are cadets supposed to have faith in regulations when they are, seemingly, applied differently to certain subgroups within the Academy? Or how is a cadet supposed to fully invest in the nuances of counterinsurgency when he is made to go to command briefings and watch FCS propaganda videos put out by the contractor (I went through this personally Yuk year)? I challenge the command group to substantively evaluate all of the factors that are contributing to cadet cynicism and work to combat them. Otherwise, we'll keep going on with the same broken command climate that fellow cadets and staff have vocalized to me and that I have observed.
3. West Point has potential to produce cadets who are better trained militarily than their ROTC peers. Heck, we set aside mandatory military training times. Yet, there is very little flexibility given to military training staff at the company level to produce training events that maximize current real world scenarios. For example, last year, I think, my regiment had to do a day of military training. Our reg military development staff produced a training plan that included react to IED, interact with civilians on the battlefield, etc. This plan was shot down by officer leadership on the grounds that we should focus on the same -10 level tasks that privates in BCT test on. I understand the relevance of being proficient at basic soldier skills, but not at the expense of producing thinking, competent officers. This is but one example of a rigid military training system that wastes time and resources at USMA.
4. USMA's cost calculations are all over the place, and that's probably why no one can give you a firm figure. I was given a packet with cost calculations from USMA. USMA values each year that I spent there at something around $52,000. What they don't tell the American public is that these figures include wide-ranging aspects of facilities maintenance, etc. When you subtract out all of this installation funding that is being pushed onto separating cadets, the actual cost of the education is much lower, though I don't remember the exact number off the top of my head. There is also alot of waste, although it's probably not much different than other units. The Time article hit upon the fact that the Supe has a group of enlisted aides. This still exists and includes aides at his residence as well as a driver, but again, I don't think that is too different than an LTG elsewhere. It probably isn't my lane to guess on specific areas where real waste occurs, but it is certainly something that I'd say ought to be looked at as a way to increase efficiencies at USMA.
5. "one cadet leaving said, 'West Point is a decaying institution.'" The LT hit this one right on the head. West Point needs to refocus on producing qualified officers and quit worrying about pleasing Congress, Old Grads, or other groups with agendas. Give cadets the opportunity to receive the best possible military training, engage in coursework that is relevant to today's operating environment, and end a punitive culture that is overly focused on Academy image management. That is what the American public deserves out of West Point.
-Cadet X, USMA '09
Schools
Ever since reading the original article a few weeks back I have wanted to weigh in with a simple observation that I came away with after my first experience with West Point.
Ironically enough I read Mr. Rick's original piece on the academies vs. ROTC on the way home from participating in the Sandhurst competition at West Point as a member of one of the 8 ROTC programs invited. For those who are unfamiliar, Sandhurst (aside from being the British military academy it is named after) is essentially a military skills and endurance course pitting a multitude of teams from the American service academies, Sandhurst, the Royal Military College of Canada, various other national academies (this year Chile and Afghanistan were represented), and the top 8 ROTC programs. For most of us on the team this was our first exposure to life at West Point and we spent a week living in one of the company day rooms and conducting day to day activities/training on West Point's campus and facilities.
Rather than harp on all the trivial differences that we noticed during our time there, I'd like to bring up one major point: attitude and motivation. Let me preface by saying that in no way am I attempting to assert that my limited exposure to West Point cadets should be considered representative of the student body as a whole or that my personal conclusions completely validate the claim that West Pointers are too cynical about the Army. I'm sure there are a multitude of exceptions that I simply did not come across. However, I can say that within my experience, there was a definite qualitative difference between the two groups of cadets in the attitude and motivation displayed.
This manifested itself quite clearly any time myself, or my teammates brought up the subject of summer training opportunities with our West Point peers. Without exception, the West Point cadets related frustration over having to attend things like Airborne or Air Assault school over the summer. From what I can gather it seems that almost all of them are forced to participate in some such training and it appears to be fairly uniformly regarded as a burden.
I can say with absolute certainty that this is not the case amongst the majority of cadets within my ROTC program. There is outright competition for the opportunity to attend these schools within ROTC. The program's order of merit list exists solely to determine who gets what from the limited amount of slots for various schools. I personally know people who have driven down to Georgia and simply shown up at Fort Benning because they were so keen on going through Airborne but got edged out on the OML. I personally know people who have called in favors from their politically well connected fathers because there were only one or two slots available to freshmen. The bottom line is, with few exceptions the cadets I am familiar with want nothing more than to take part in this training. This goes for training opportunities across the board, not just Airborne and Air Assault. People want Winter Warfare, Northern Warfare, CTLT, just about anything that allows them to go learn more stuff over the summer before commissioning.
On the other hand, what I saw from the West Point cadets was an attitude that viewed these opportunities as just one more thing that was eating into what little personal time they could expect to enjoy over the summer. I don't blame any of the people I met for holding this view. If the West Point culture dominated my life to the extent it would if I were a cadet there, there is no doubt in my mind I would be less enthusiastic about spending another three weeks at Airborne over the summer. However, as it stands I almost feel cheated because I know that while a West Pointer will be forced to go to Air Assault this summer, many of my ROTC buddies will never get that opportunity.This may sound selfish, but I feel as though the people who want it more should get it.
I'm willing to venture out on a limb and posit that, generally speaking, a greater percentage of ROTC cadets demonstrate legitimate enthusiasm over 'extra curricular' opportunities to learn and develop as future Army leaders when compared to their West Point counterparts. Once again, its a general conclusion to be making off of a limited observation but take it for what you will.
Independent training versus continued routine
Maybe if the special training events such as Air Assault were a variation in atmosphere and not a continuation of academic year drudgery the attitudes may be different.
Time at sea for me as a mid in the summer where USNA had no direction turned into exceptional experiences - at age 18, I hitched a seat in an E1B, first time in a airplane, for an early morning carrier shot over the North Atlantic followed by an emergency carrier landing. Next day since I returned asking for another ride the crew let me sit in the copilot's seat for the joy of feeling the tailhook catch while looking forward at the edge of the flight deck. (George Bush had to be president to get this ride.) Motivation for the joy and wonder of going to sea came later on a frigate in the summer as First Class where the officers treated me as an equal member of their wardroom. They gave me responsibilities and chances to learn not different than the other Junior Officers but the Academy had by then given me some pretty handy skills in navigation, seamanship and uniform appearance to, at that stage, capitalize upon the summer.
It had been the change in perspective that came from understanding that being away from Brancroft was another view and equal to that which in those summers of the late 60s I left behind three times to return and the fourth time in 70 to leave forever.
I thought you were Bill Keller of the NYT...
BK - did you ever get a ride in an A3D? I'm sure you know that acronym.
To reply to your comment last week, Vo Nguyen Giap was a history teacher...
Acronym, yes
It was for twin engine (jet) attack bomber, A3 in the D version. If my memory remains, it could only be exitted by the three member crew thru an underside hatch in the fuselage. Not really likely in emergency - All three dead.
Randolph (CVS) was antisubmarine - It carried only S-2s, E-1Bs, H-53s and a COD.
I had very bad eyes so as black shoe on a gunboat (PG-93) was the last time I rode atop an aircraft engine (GE-j79) as a crew member.
Giap, he carried histroy very well.
And, yes, there are others who are fortunate enough to share my name.
Little Mac
I am surprised that no one objected to my posting a photo of General McClellan in this item on USMA cadets. This strikes me as harsher than the "community college" charge. But then I am reading "Shenandoah 1862" right now, and boy, does he come off as every bad officer I ever have met--hypercautious, looking for the chimera of "ensured success," suspersensitive about his reputation, and unwilling to take the risks that good commanders embrace.
Ivory Tower
It's probably your snarky, uninformed comments that cause us to ignore whatever photos you may post.
I'm sure if we wanted to pick out some bad Yale grads and blame them on you, we could. But this would be silly and presumptuous, wouldn't it?
It's also appalling to me that you can sit in your ivory media tower and make sweeping generalizations about the work the Army and West Point needs to make. You like statistics. But the intangibles of service, duty and defense that you brush off so lightly are what make those institutions transcend their faults- and why they are still standing (and the academy's halls are still full of cadets) today.
so then, no criticism?
Any institution worth preserving must stand scrutiny and periodic re-evaluation and adjustment. Those evalutations often have their genesis in the so-called "Ivory Towers."
Come on Fourth Class, Do Better Than That
Hmm, looks like someone must have had a pretty good plebe year. Quit using your x number for starters...