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I've been taking a break from ancient history to read The Logic of Violence in Civil War, by Stathis Kalyvas, which was recommended to me by my sensei on such subjects, Abu Muqawama. But it is such heavy academic going that I'm taking a break from it to read another book about civil war, Antonia Fraser's massive warts-and-all biography of Oliver Cromwell.

I'm reading about Cromwell for two reasons. First, I wonder about the extent to which the American Civil War was to a large extent an amplified, industrialized echo of the English conflict two centuries earlier, with England's eastern Puritan vs. western Cavalier split replaced by our own New England Puritan vs. Virginia Cavalier divide. Second, I've been told that the spiritual roots of the U.S. Army are in Cromwell's professionalized, well-disciplined New Model Army. And until the prices of the two best studies of that force come down, I'm stuck with my second-hand copy of Lady Antonia's book.

As she tells it, Cromwell has gotten a bad rap. As a commander, he cared more about military effectiveness than ideological purity. Generally, while he was no party animal, he seems somewhat less rigid that the Cromwell I learned about in school. (No, I haven't yet gotten to his invasion of Ireland.) And the average Roundhead seems to have dressed somewhat more colorfully than today's black-clad hip New Yorker.

NB: Lady Antonia wrote this book before she nearly got blown up by the IRA, and also before she married Harold Pinter. She has led an interesting life.

 

ANON_ANON

10:49 PM ET

February 3, 2009

kalyvas

If nothing else, Kalyvas has an amazing ability to remember and aggregate similar quotes from an astonishingly wide array of sources. What a memory he must have. And you can always skip the game theory. Or get his articles rather than his book (most books should be articles; most articles should never be written). It is amazing that a book that length is written in SMALL FONT - truly amazing. He's a stud.

 

JSINAIKO

3:50 PM ET

February 4, 2009

VA Cavaliers? Only in Basketball

There is the minor matter of slavery - which goes beyond politics. This makes the American civil war different. Period.

And old Oliver doesn't get a bad rap - he was a brutal and dour guy who was broadly hated even by his own allies. Perhaps a bit like Chaney, but with the courage to do his own dirty work.

And hey - wait till you DO get to his invasion of Ireland. The Irish detest the guy, and with good reason. I had always sort of looked at Cromwell as a hero because of his anti-royalist beliefs, so I was surprised when I first moved to Ireland at how much he was hated. Then I read about what he did there.

All modern armies, including the vaunted Wehrmacht, the Red Army, and yes, the US Army are more or less based on the New Model Army, which was the first "modern" army in the West. it was a large step beyond the hired, mercenary outfits, and the glorified yeomanry that fought on the continent in the main part of the 30-years war.

 

JAMESD

1:07 AM ET

February 6, 2009

NMA as the first "modern Army"?

And the minor matter of the damnation of English souls doesn't go beyond politics? Both Civil Wars were fought over the sovereign authority (being the King for the English and the federal government in the case of America) overstepping its bounds in the eyes of those who would go on to fight them (Parliament and the South). Within that overstep there were issues of economics on both sides (ship money, tonnage and poundage, etc. for the English and import/export tariffs for the Americans) and issues of a higher nature. When the King attempted to force his book of common prayer upon the Presbyterian Scots war broke out (twice). The Scots were willing to fight over religion much the same as the militant abolitionists were willing to fight in Kansas over slavery. In both cases, these events served as a prelude to the greater war. Lincoln's election made slavery a national matter and drove the south to secession. The King's dismissal of the Short Parliament, quickly followed by the issuing of a new book of common prayer by Archbishop Laud, pushed most of the moderates in Parliament into clear opposition which boiled over into war a year later after the failed attempt on the Five Members.

How so is the New Model of the Army (as it is more properly called) the first modern army? Was it a modern army in the sense of its combat effectiveness? At the most basic level the units which made it up were essentially no different from those of Manchester, Essex and Waller's armies which were dismantled to make it (excluding some of Waller's Horse that is). Fairfax was able to choose his officers ranking captain and above, but he kept most of the officers in place from the units that were folded in to the NMA (getting rid of unnecessary and ineffective officers along the way). This did increase its effectiveness, for he picked his officers well, but at the same time it did leave opportunities for favoritism open (those being the charges that he only picked the hotter sort of protestant to lead his regiments). And as far as its performance in battle? The battles of Naseby and Langport were won the same way as Marston Moor had been won prior to the creation of the new army, weight of numbers.
Is it a modern army in the sense that its leaders were divorced from politics, and thereby committed to solely military matters, by the self denying ordinance of early 1645? That could hold, except for the Army's seizure of power after the Second English Civil War and its subsequent rule until Cromwell become Lord Protector.

And on the charge of mercenaries, how does that square with General Monck becoming the commander in chief of the army after Cromwell retired back into politics? He had been a royalist general during the first civil war, but after his capture he "saw the error of his ways" and switched sides. Perhaps the 4,000 former royalist soldiers who were forced out of the army at the time of the second civil war had also "seen the error of their ways"? One could say that perhaps these men had been impressed by the royalists and that was not where their hearts had laid, yet that brings up the question, how are impressed men and different from mercenaries? Neither have their heart in the cause, they are simply their to get what can be gained (money in the case of mercenaries, their lives in the case of impressed men). The NMA continued to fill out its ranks with impressed men until the early 1650s.

And I'm spent.

 

JSINAIKO

2:06 AM ET

February 6, 2009

I think it was a modern army

I think it was a modern army in a much more basic sense; it was an early version of a force that was not based around the retainers of some nobleman or king, or a bunch of condottieri. All of you points are well taken; my period of expertise is earlier; my knowledge of this stuff is based on my time in Ireland and the reading I did there.

I would argue with your point about the similarities between sovereign and federal authority. From my (Yankee, Northern) POV, the states-rights issue was, and still is a canard to cover the keeping of human chattel. It is fair enough to argue that "minor matter of the damnation of English souls" also goes beyond politics. But in the end, abolition was the major social outcome of the American Civil War; a much more progressive result than anything that came out of Cromwell's tenure, vital though it is to the development of modern, pluralistic Anglo-American society. If the Act of Union a few years later had allowed a papist to assume the throne of England I would argue that the results were comparable.

Anyhow, this is now WAY off-topic! The relevance of your points show the complexity of all of these internecine struggles; none of them are really comparable if you go beyond the macro stuff, and all of them are really, really complicated.

 

JOHN SHREFFLER

9:20 PM ET

February 4, 2009

Bibliographic question

I'm a fan of your work, especially Fiasco. What were the books you mentioned above that you thought were the best studies on the New Model Army that were too expensive? I'm in Boston, with access to Harvard's libraries, so I could check them out if I knew what they were.

Thanks and keep up the great work. The new blog is a killer--I check it every day.

 

AWR

10:31 AM ET

February 5, 2009

Kevin Philips The Cousins' War

This 1999 book by Kevin Phillips goes into this topic at great length. Cromwell was a great innovator and do remember that in the New Model Army the calvary bought their own mounts. It was not a mercenary army.

Philips does all the comparisons from the British Civil War to the US Revolutionary War and finally our own Civil War.

We would have none of our present liberties if the Papists and Stuarts had won.

It has always been difficult to civilize the Irish. It was only joining the EU that saved Ireland from superstition and misery.

W should get Antonia Fraser to do his biography - her best cover up was "Marty Queen of Scots." She can make anyone look good.

 

JSINAIKO

3:24 PM ET

February 5, 2009

Innovation vs. Historical Consequences + Civilazation

No question that Ollie was a real innovator when it came to structuring his forces from the ground up. But how was it that cavalry troopers using their personal mounts not make them mercenaries? Mercenaries used their personal mounts as well. I think it has more to do with the way he structured the force into what we would recognize as modern units, with something akin to a meritocracy controlling promotions and command and control, as opposed to noble stature.

And your point about the Irish is pretty offensive and a huge, bigoted stereotype. What is your point? That Cromwell was justified in his atrocities (by 17th century standards they were atrocious, not just by 20th or 21st century standards)? That he whipped those philistines into shape? That the Irish are just bad and deserved to be slaughtered?

I found the Irish, with or without the EU to be plenty civilized and nowhere near superstition or misery. Both before and after their entry into the EU.

Although I have never read his book comparing the two civil wars, I respect Kevin Phillips - he's a thoughtful guy. But given the behavior of Cromwell and his army in Ireland, one wonders which party is the civilized one. And your statement about the Irish is not well taken.

 

TOMD

3:56 PM ET

February 5, 2009

I'm all in favor of studying

I'm all in favor of studying Cromwell. But I think that you do him too much credit. The NMO was at best a replication of Gustavus Adolphus's military reforms in Sweden, twenty to thirty years earlier.

And the idea that the US Civil War had meaningful relationships to the British Civil Wars is at best specious. The US had important socio-political-cultural groups in the mid-19th century that played key roles in the politics of seccession and fighting that have no analogue at all in the British Civil Wars--most prominently the Scots-Irish in Appalachia and the more fully Americanized midwest and mid-Atlantic states (being the product of the mixing of English, Scots-Irish, Dutch, and Germans).

Moreover, aristocratic southern society was in the 19th century so strongly shaped by the ethos of the scots-irish honor culture that its relationship to the Cavaliers was, at best, genealogical.

 

JSINAIKO

4:25 PM ET

February 5, 2009

Well put. And yes, what we

Well put. And yes, what we Yanks would call the Scots-Irish are called Ulster-Scots in the UK and Ireland.

And that informs a lot of what Northern Ireland experienced in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s. Irish vs. Ulster-Scots.

But your point about the socio-political-cultural differences and affects in the American Civil War pretty much puts it in a class of its own.

The upper classes of antebellum Virginia were not of Ulster-Scots background and I suppose in some sense there could be some sort of comparison between them and the Cavaliers, but I think that's as far as it goes.

Your point about the Swedes is correct, but I think that the NMO had a more, uh, egalitarian structure - for lack of a better term - than any of the royalist continental forces of the 17th century. Of course once the monarchy in Britain was restored a lot of those reforms went out the window. Unqualified nobles were still running the British army in 1914 - and their tactical insufficiency had consequences.

 

TOM RICKS

4:46 PM ET

February 5, 2009

Virginia cavaliers

My comments about the Virginia cavaliers was influenced by David Hackett Fischer's description of the connections between the two in his wonderful book "Albion's Seed."
Thanks,
Tom

 

JSINAIKO

5:35 PM ET

February 5, 2009

Scots-Irish/Ulster/Scots

Tom D's point about the Cavaliers and the Scots-Irish is correct, at least in terms of the populations of the Carolinas, Georgia, and the Western parts of all the coastal confederate states.

Protestant/Loyalists in Northern Ireland are called "Billy Boys" after William of Orange, AKA King Billy. The same term morphed into the American term "hillbilly" sometime in the 18th century. The cultural connection is unimpeachable. These are very tough people - they fight hard and don't like to surrender. Check the history of the 36th Ulster Division in WWI, especially at the Somme in 1916.

The connections between Ulster, the Ulster plantation of the 16 and early 17th centuries and the Southern US are manifold and complex. Many thoughtful people have pointed out that in some ways the Northern Irish "troubles" of the last 35 years are the final outliers of the 30-Years-War (300 years war?).

The upper crust of the confederacy - guys like Bobby Lee - were not from that background so there was a class/culture divide in the confederacy, as there was between the Scots Presbyterians who settled Ulster during the plantation, and the high church English who ran the show. The Ulster-Scots always (usually correctly) felt that the English used them as the tip of the spear, and deeply resent it to this day.

One way or the other, all of this was very heavily influenced by Cromwell and the restoration that came right after his death. You have hit on a very topical subject!

 

CONYCATCHER

3:12 AM ET

February 6, 2009

Cromwell and the Taliban?

It's funny you bring up Cromwell. I always considered his Puritanical excesses to be more like the Taliban. He banned stuff like music and dancing... I wonder if the Taliban did take over might there not they meet the same fate as his republic. Of course, the international situation is much more complex now, he wasn't being aided by an international Puritan organization...

 

DBLWYO

11:00 AM ET

February 12, 2009

Cromwell, War and the Scots-Irish

On the history of the Scots-Irish can't recommend highly enough Jim Webb's "Born Fighting" which traces the long, highly oppressed, prideful, poverty-stricken and influential histories of the Scot-Irish over millenia from pogroms by the Romans to multiple pogroms by the English to their experiences in Ireland to their role in shaping modern American culture and the American military.

On a more academic level recommend even more highly McNeill's "Pursuit of Power" which is a historical study of the interactions between the structure and organization of military capabilities and socionomic and political organization of the entities that created and supported them. The section on the American Civil War and the stimulus it provided and was based on for the modern industrial economy as well as the discussions of it being the testbed and development platform for modern warfare is well worth your time.

Every military writer should, imho, be familiar with McNeill.

 

CHRIS COUGHLIN

3:09 PM ET

February 18, 2009

musical response

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8yEqco39T8

 

Thomas E. Ricks covered the U.S. military for the Washington Post from 2000 through 2008.

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